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I would not upgrade. Only put install-image there, now its afs. (i 
would have networking to do that? Then install install-kernel too. 
then booting the install-kernel.

Burning on pc, making cartridges to run on iron?

Or plug cable in old iron instead?

I bought the burner to use from my Atari 8-bit. There was a PC program 
for it, but I could use it from the Atari in a sort of terminal mode

Using burner as kind of usb-stick? :)

Yes, your best chance would be to install the last Syllable with 
boot floppies (the last floppies worked for a few more versions, 
but I don't remember which), then unzip the complete 0.6.0a base 
zip over it. You'll have to edit the /boot/boot/grub/menu.lst as 
well

It had a Centronics port

Sylable - i try that.

That old irons - you dont need them anymore? Could be some fun to 
get it working. That final "It displays something!!"-feeling :)

As i have an iron-expert just an internet away :)

Ooops, have to go now. cu.

For those who are in the UK or another place where the UK magazine 
Linux Format is available: the April 2006 issue has a six-page article 
and Syllable on the cover CD

http://www.syllable.org/discussion.php?id=1007

I released a binary package of Orca 0.0.23 for Syllable:

http://kamidake.other-space.com/display_entry.php?id=336

It's done. Orca will be included in the upcoming Syllable 0.6.1. 
This means that Orca will be the default scripting language for Syllable 
in future developments (besides Bash)

Wow, sounds cool. By the way, I was just looking at Minix3 with it's 
micro-kernel, and I wondered what kind of kernel Syllable has. I 
found this Syllable FAQ:
What kind of kernel design does Syllable use?

As Syllable is a fork of the AtheOS operating system, the author 
of AtheOS (Kurt Skauen) said "I often ask myself that question too. 
The kernel is very modular and it has a well-defined interface between 
the kernel and its device drivers and file systems. Given that each 
component communicates through a thin, well-defined interface and 
each component does not know much about the others, it resembles 
a micro-kernel. I am not sure if this is the right term though, since 
all kernel components live in kernel-space and are not protected 
from each other, and these are all properties of a monolitic kernel. 
I am a bit confused :)"

That's pretty much it: the design is much more modular and layered 
than well-known monolithic kernels, but it doesn't qualify for the 
academic definition of a microkernel

On the other hand, like in BeOS, which the design is inspired by, 
many system services run as servers in user space, so we do try to 
keep many things out of the kernel, which improves reliability. For 
example, we're now extending the design of our multimedia framework 
and moving the audio drivers, which were ported from Linux, out of 
the kernel into user space

By the way, I exhibited on the Free Software Bazaar this week, which 
is part of the SANE conference, and Minix3 had a booth next to me 
and a talk after me. I am also now the owner of a Minix3 live CD 
with the signature of Andrew Tanenbaum :-)

:-) Cool. Must have been an inspiring chat.

Eh, I once planned a meet-up with Tanenbaum, but I didn't go through 
with it. The CD was just from a stack that his coworkers took to 
the conference

ah not to worry.

Very cool Kaj! I never did get the Syllable CD to work here, but 
maybe I should try again. :-)

Lots of bugs were fixed over the past year, and again in Syllable 
0.6.1, which we will probably release this weekend. So yes, that 
would be a good time to try again

I thought Orca was to be renamed to avoid a name clash with the global 
context of computer languages

It should - or I would have had an extra interesting discussion with 
Tanenbaum. But that's up to Karl

So, is this the first redistribution of any Rebol clone??

Quite possibly

Ok, will be added to Rebolweek blog :)

Cool!

Kaj - what will happen after R3? It introduces some changes - will 
you try to keep the rebol compatibility, or it is not the primary 
goal? Maybe a wrong group, maybe it belongs to Orca group .... just 
would like to know opinion from the Syllabe guy perspective ...

Orca already breaks compatibility with REBOL a little. I wouldn't 
worry about it - I'm sure that the best ideas from R3 will be adopted.

ok ....

I read some reactions and some guys seem to have difficulcy understanding 
rebol is different :-) I hope Kaj and Syllable team can defend Orca 
decision ....

And you never know, with the platform-specific source of REBOL 3 
being released to the community, in theory, perhaps there will be 
a direct port of REBOL to Syllable.

yes, I hope so, but - isn't there problem with licensing? Can, license-wise, 
Syllable guys, accept binary distribution?

It appears from Syllable's forums that Kaj and crew are thinking 
of extending Orca with hooks into Syllable's internals (correct me 
if I'm wrong). Orca may end up being a better choice for them, particularly 
if it becomes compatible enough to run REBOL services.

what about View? From what I understood - are they for native wdiget 
bindings? Correct me if I understood it wrongly ....

I'm not really the one to ask. All I know about Syllable I've heard 
from here, OSNews and from skimming a little of their forums. I'm 
a little more familiar with Orca, but I haven't really looked too 
closely at it in case I want to clone REBOL myself.

:-) interesting, and probably not correct group here ... you have 
different ideas than Orca? Now as R# is showing non-activity for 
way too long time, Orca is the only clone which showed some promise 
...

Yeah, my approach is different. My time and energy is limited though. 
We'll see if I can budget the time to work on it.

In the meanwhile, the thought I've put into it has informed my criticism 
of and ideas for REBOL 3.

Brian - please, cooperat with RT on rebcode - my feeling is, that 
it is not finished yet, from security pov mainly ... it would be 
good to have rebcode inside anyway .... I hope Carl does not decide 
to discard it as an experiment only :-)

I get the impression that he still considers rebcode to be important.

who knows, maybe one day, Carl will keep "just" a language kernel, 
language will be extensible via plug-ins, etc., so maybe it will 
be much easier to actually get it working anywhere ...

we are probably becoming OT here .... maybe move to chat or REBOL3?

cool

Yep, this belongs in the Orca group, or rather on the Orca web site 
if you want to contact the author. I'm not developing Orca, Syllable 
is simply integrating it. Of course that means we influence it a 
little, but that's it

Since we do develop Syllable, we don't have to defend the Orca decision. 
It's done. :-) I introduced the idea to the Syllable community, ported 
R# and Orca, and ultimately convinced my project leader. That's all 
that's needed