World: r3wp

For example, I just ported SDL_gfx, a fairly powerful drawing library, 
but it's on top of SDL and SDL is ported on top of our system

View is also not the most efficient because it has to be portable

let's hope new blitting at least is in the pipeline for View ......

Kaj - can I boot Syllable from CD or do I have to have partition 
for it?

No, just boot the live CD to try it. Only there's no live CD for 
0.6.0 yet, and the 0.5.7 one is taken offline until that happens

ok, so I will wait .... Syllable seems to be getting better and better. 
I will give it a try around Christmas, when I have some time to not 
work, but enjoy :-)

I will put a notice here when the live CD is out

I released a binary package of the new Orca version 0.0.22 for Syllable:

http://kamidake.other-space.com/display_entry.php?id=336

We just released Syllable 0.6.0a, an update to fix a number of small 
issues with 0.6.0:

http://syllable.org

Kaj - there is a OSNews article, which suggests SkyOS is better route, 
because it is backed by commercial company or so ... did not agree, 
but I have not yet read the discussion ...

Ah, I'll have a look

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=11085

There are those people who seem to think that all good comes from 
companies, however small and whatever their track record

Well, I'm such a small company, so does that count? :-)

:-)

Of course, Linus has never been a company. He was a student in a 
smelly dorm room with the curtains shut all day while developing 
Linux

Why is software backed by a corporation a better route? Because in 
theory you can sue them, and decision makers are usually lazy and 
techically illetarate, so they prefer to have legal ways to assert 
themselves in case of need. I think thats part of the reason that 
RedHat succeed with Linux.

Kaj - I will open group for syncing here, I want to gather some links 
... few weeks ago you had interesting comments here (groove etc.) 
- would you find some links to submit?

I'm not sure that is the case.

Eh, what did I say? :-)

If you want to contact someone, a company will have phones etc ...

Oh yes, I gave some overview that isn't readily available in such 
a compact form

I have phones...

developers here sometimes disappear for ages before resurfacing.

Companies sometimes do as well, especially in Amiga circles ;-)

hmm, now consider RT .... from language development pov, open-source 
could be better, you say that from decision makers, the company could 
be better. My experience with top management is, that they want some 
references, case studies, etc., where RT is completly loosing ... 
I don't buy that their customers don't want them to tell what company 
uses their products. I have never seen anything like that ...

Kru, is your phone listed on the syllable pages ?

Kru?

Kaj :)

Brent just posted his phone number on our public mailing list...

only two letters out :)

at least here in CZ, or maybe it is more of an EU nature, simply 
managers want references or case studies. Last slides of most product 
presentations is - who else does use it? Pages full of logos. It 
is even usual, that during the contract phase, parties agree to even 
accept some reference business trips from other parties. It works, 
managers feel safe, that they are not alone using the solution ... 
well, marketing ...

Pekr: maybe their customers are mafia and/or military and these organistaions 
are very typically shy of their activities ;o)))

To call him for server performance during the holidays. That's dedication, 
isn't it?

My phone number is readily available from WhoIs, I guess

Dedication, but for companies, that is the norm.

AMD would be cool reference for IOS - but well, RT's site sucks anyway 
....  not business oriented :-)

well, distracting topic from Syllable, sorry ...

Petr, yes, transparency is the word of the day. What is more transparent 
than open source?

commented open source ?

Like the documentation package here? :-)

http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=55553&package_id=50546&release_id=381267

hey, what's happened ?  You're using that inefficient .zip format 
now :)

Yes, it allows us to package metadata: extended file attributes in 
our file system

hehe, Tom Halwerda got reply from someone from Syllable team apparently 
:-)
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 By Vanders (IP: ---.cable.ubr02.chap.blueyonder.co.uk) - Posted on 
 2005-07-04 22:34:20
Sorry Thom but you're wide of the mark on several counts.


Systems like the Amiga or BeOS failed for a number of reasons, but 
mostly because they were either tied to a minority hardware platform 
and through sheer poor management. It's fair to say that both were 
ahead of their time, which was certainly a contributing factor. We'll 
add NeXT to this list while we're here. Syllable and SkyOS are written 
for generic Intel PC hardware, and neither are old enough to know 
if Robert or I will kill either through bad management!


Sure we want to compete with Linux. Linux is a great OS on the server, 
it's a sucky desktop. I've been running it for over six years on 
my home PC and several years now in various real-world deployments 
in a server capacity. Year after year, Linux continues to dissapoint 
me as a desktop OS. Why shouldn't we compete with that? Saying "You 
can't compete with Linux!" is just deafeatism. The thing is, Syllable 
is not out to beat Linux. We want to co-exist with Linux and in doing 
so, enhance the Open Source ecosystem. Linux can run the servers, 
Syllable can run the clients. Makes sense to me.


Look, if in two years time us Syllable developers have nothing to 
show for it but an OS that only us six run and are happy with, well 
then that's fine with me! I'm sure as hell not going to roll over 
and pretend that I like using Linux on my desktop though. Why shouldn't 
we try to improve it? Because we might fail? Piffle.

Some quick points to finish off:


o Robert is a good developer but I don't believe he has the time 
or the hardware to have written every single driver for SkyOS from 
scratch. The video drivers are from X & if you asked him, I'd expect 
the NIC & audio drivers are BSDL.

o The Open Source nature of Syllable has never been in impedement 
to implementing features. We have a set or core developers and we 
make the decisions. We have a roadmap and we're following it. To 
paint Syllable as a band of wishy-washy Open Source developers with 
no direction who are somehow bogged down with arguments is misleading 
and dishonest. Just like SkyOS, if we decide a feature must go in 
it goes in.

o I'm not aware of a single company currently working with SkyOS. 
We can sign up for the exact same Developer Relations schemes as 
Robert can. Many companies don't seem to mind that Linux is Open 
Source, I fail to see how Syllable is any less legitimate in this 
regard.


Hard is the whole point Thom! What's the point in doing easy? Anyone 
can do easy!

Yep, take the high road .. as was mentioned the other day.

A VMware image is now available for Syllable 0.6.0a:

http://syllable.org