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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family
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Kaj 6-Jun-2010 [2000x2] | The updated manual, which is quite extensive, if I may say so, and explains the key abilities of the system step by step: |
http://web.syllable.org/Server/README-SyllableServer.txt | |
Kaj 8-Jun-2010 [2002x2] | It's on OSNews now: |
http://www.osnews.com/story/23427/Syllable_Server_0_4_Released | |
Graham 8-Jun-2010 [2004] | When will you have an install script for the server? |
Kaj 8-Jun-2010 [2005x2] | That will still take a while. Before that is useful I need to produce a live CD, and many other things also need to be done |
Manual installation is really not difficult with Syllable, though | |
Graham 8-Jun-2010 [2007x2] | so the vm I downloaded yesterday is really old?? |
So, how about a screencast of the manual installation? | |
Kaj 8-Jun-2010 [2009x2] | Server 0.4 was already published yesterday, but the VM version is still really old, yes |
A screencast would be nice. I don't have time for it, though. It would be a nice thing for someone to contribute | |
Graham 8-Jun-2010 [2011] | So the install takes a really long time?? |
Kaj 8-Jun-2010 [2012x3] | No, one last week took fifteen minutes to unpack the files on a very old 266 MHz P2 |
(Which is running our ten AltME worlds, by the way) | |
I love turning machines that were discarded as a firewall appliance into worldwide groupware servers :-) | |
Graham 8-Jun-2010 [2015] | So, doing a screencast of a vm installation on virtualbox might take less than 15 mins which you don't have? :) |
Kaj 8-Jun-2010 [2016x4] | That was the graphical version, mind you. It would unpack Server in five minutes |
You asked about installation, not about making a screencast | |
I make operating systems, not movies, so I'd have to arrange a film education for myself | |
Hence, a perfect opportunity for a volunteer with the right qualifications | |
Graham 8-Jun-2010 [2020] | screencast to me just means copying the screen as you do things .. doesn't imply the need for sound or anything else unless you want to get fancy. |
Kaj 8-Jun-2010 [2021] | Sounds like you have the right qualifications and computer setup, then |
Graham 8-Jun-2010 [2022] | not the right qualifications |
Kaj 8-Jun-2010 [2023] | Well, to be honest, the entire Server manual after the installation is pretty much like the installation section, so someone who needs a screencast to get through the installation would also need a screencast for every aspect of operation after that |
Kaj 9-Jun-2010 [2024x2] | Now it's on DistroWatch: |
http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06126 | |
Kaj 10-Jun-2010 [2026x2] | With this release we've entered the month ranking at place 100 after a day: |
http://distrowatch.com/stats.php?section=popularity | |
Kaj 1-Jul-2010 [2028] | We've topped out at position 57 in the above DistroWatch month list |
NickA 1-Jul-2010 [2029] | CongratsKaj :) |
Kaj 1-Jul-2010 [2030] | Thanks |
ddharing 13-Aug-2010 [2031x2] | Is it possible to put the bootable ISO image onto a USB key to install from that? I would like to try both Syllable Desktop and Server on my Acer Aspire One. It doesn't have a CD-ROM, though. |
It's a netbook. | |
Kaj 14-Aug-2010 [2033x9] | Sorry, not yet. We've been working towards installing from and to USB sticks, but it's not complete yet. Syllable Desktop can install from a USB CD player with the regular install CD, so that's the normal way to install on a netbook or other machine without a built-in CD player |
We don't have an install image to put on a USB stick to install from there, but the steps from a USB install CD should be small. There is some preparation for it on the install CD, so if you know your way around such things you could try to complete that configuration | |
However, there's still a limitation in Syllable Desktop involved: | |
http://web.syllable.org/news/2009-10-27-21-08-Acer-Aspire-One-ASUS-EeePC-USB-installation-targets.html | |
The situation with Syllable Server is much easier, although at the same time a bit more difficult. It doesn't have an installer yet, so although the installation procedure is clear and straightforward, it's manual. But that also means you can move the installation package from anywhere to anywhere | |
If you can manage to make an extra partition on your netbook you could even install Syllable Server from the included Linux (if you have that installed) | |
I tried to install the older Syllable Server 0.3 on an EeePC once on the second, external storage card. That's accessed as a USB device and Server didn't have the complete support for that. So it's likely that you need to install on a partition on the main storage (which is accessed as an ATA drive even if it is a memory chip) | |
If you don't have Linux or want to use the entire netbook drive, you can boot from some Linux live USB stick and handle the Syllable Server installation package from there | |
There are ways to do installations that are not possible in the above ways, but they are more complicated. You could start the install CD in a virtual machine after you have mounted a physical disk or partition in the VM, and install to that. Then afterwards, you'd have to configure the bootloader on the physical disk to start that installation | |
ddharing 14-Aug-2010 [2042] | Kaj, thanks for the advice. |
Graham 22-Aug-2010 [2043] | http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ for creating usb bootable distros |
Kaj 23-Aug-2010 [2044x2] | This works by installing SysLinux, so it may work with Syllable Server, but not with Syllable Desktop |
For Server it's not needed, so although it's an interesting project, it works no magic for us | |
ddharing 23-Aug-2010 [2046x2] | I tried that tool with Syllable Server and couldn't get it to work, but it's very possible that I was doing something wrong. |
I just got Syllable Server running on an old 2003 Dell laptop today. Very snappy performance and easy on memory usage. | |
Kaj 24-Aug-2010 [2048x2] | Congratulations, and thanks for the report. Unetbootin is dependent on the particularities of a Linux distro, so it's quite possible that it wouldn't work with the current Syllable Server |
Specifically, Syllable's filesystem layout is quite innovative, so Unetbootin probably can't find the files it needs | |
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