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[Syllable] The free desktop and server operating system family

Sunanda
23-Oct-2007
[1306]
If download violume is a problem for Syllable, could you find some 
people to mirror?
Kaj
23-Oct-2007
[1307x4]
Nah, it's too much hassle, and we want the download statistics
Mirroring is automatic when people use BitTorrent, and we still get 
the statistics
Once the downloads go through the roof, we'll probably put up Google 
ads to balance the costs
That would work out, because our system downloads are still much 
smaller than the average Linux system
Graham
23-Oct-2007
[1311]
where do you get your stats from ? Directly from S3?
Kaj
23-Oct-2007
[1312]
Yes. Have to write some analysis scripts - hopefully in ORCA
Robert
23-Oct-2007
[1313x3]
Is WLan stuff supported?
I think you could position Syllable with two major values:

1. Do you want to surf secure? Use Syllable, no virus etc will work

2. Do you want to avoid observation? Use Syllable, no root-kit etc. 
will work.
As goverments are moving to 1984 style, these two aspects will become 
more and more important.
Kaj
23-Oct-2007
[1316x3]
Server now uses the Linux 2.6.22.1 kernel, so it has the new DeviceScape 
wireless stack
I haven't integrated the userspace tools yet, though; that's planned 
for the second release. I don't know yet how easy it will be then 
to configure wireless, without graphical tools
We definitely want to be something like "the Apple of open source". 
And unlike Apple, freedom is very important, too ;-)
Kaj
13-Nov-2007
[1319x2]
The second Syllable newsletter has interviews with me about Syllable 
Server and our new website, so you can read a bit about our platform 
strategy and how we use REBOL in it:
http://osnews.com/story.php/18911/Syllable-Newsletter-Issue-2-Published
BrianH
13-Dec-2007
[1321]
Here's the Syllable group.
amacleod
13-Dec-2007
[1322x3]
thanks
have you got the ap from carl so you wil be ready to port R3 when 
its ready.
ap=api
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[1325x3]
I'm just now getting into closer contact
Do you mean the specs? They're not much use right now. We need code, 
as simple as that
I doubt there are any porting specs, because little work has been 
done on it yet
BrianH
13-Dec-2007
[1328]
The porting API of R3 isn't quite settled yet, and the library would 
have to be compiled for Syllable. Not a big problem.
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[1329]
There is a chance that we could even use the Linux library to begin 
with. Syllable is that compatible
amacleod
13-Dec-2007
[1330x2]
As I understand it the library is a sort of a "VM" and you need to 
write an interpeter for the platform.
And I thought I read that it was ported to mac os X so the specs 
for the interpreter must be there
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[1332x2]
Hm
Whatever it is, we should be able to use most of the Linux code when 
it's there
BrianH
13-Dec-2007
[1334x2]
Nope. The library is a shared library like a .so or .dll, and later 
statically linked like a .o or .lib.
It is not a VM.
amacleod
13-Dec-2007
[1336]
I'm using the wrong terms I guess...but this method of inking it 
must be known by now?
BrianH
13-Dec-2007
[1337]
The method, yes. The api and specs, still in process.
amacleod
13-Dec-2007
[1338]
gottcha!
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[1339x2]
They're the two standard methods of providing libraries. Principally, 
they should be Syllable libraries, but we're so much using the same 
toolchain that we can sometimes use Linux libraries directly
I'll just have to try it
amacleod
13-Dec-2007
[1341]
Back to syllable...what niche are you looking to fill that is not 
served by ms or linux or mac stc.
BrianH
13-Dec-2007
[1342]
A native Syllable library would be better public relations :)
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[1343x3]
Of course
Ehm, the world domination niche? ;-)
It will take us another decade to get there, but we are serious about 
producing a system with a significant potential
BrianH
13-Dec-2007
[1346]
We'll have to get Carl to add "world domination" to the plans.
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[1347x2]
Hm, I won't make any definitive statements about that
Linux is mostly failing on the desktop. Syllable Desktop is a system 
based on many of the same open-source components to correct that
BrianH
13-Dec-2007
[1349]
What, do you want me to give a definite world domination release 
date? :)
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[1350]
No, but suppose we reach world domination together, we would then 
have to bicker about who was the essential component :-)
amacleod
13-Dec-2007
[1351]
I use linux but I'm always hitting a wall and going back to windows 
for some tasks. Plus it seems too big and bloated.
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[1352x2]
If you have experienced Amiga, you know why Linux is failing, and 
you should have some idea why Syllable has a much better chance
Exactly
amacleod
13-Dec-2007
[1354]
Even using rebol on linux is annoying to me
Kaj
13-Dec-2007
[1355]
The people in Syllable have also gone through this process. Eventually 
we each decided that instead of spending all our time getting Linux 
to work, we could also spend it building a complete new system