World: r3wp

Precisely .. because you're already talking to the converted.

we represent the masses

unwashed and all

I disagree, there's really no point in offering a text mode Linux 
to anyone who doesn't want to install one extra package fully automated 
in Ubuntu

The people on OSNews are far from our converts

I guess it's now a religious discussion.

No, it's a money discussion. You pay for our costs, we'll gladly 
offer other options

How much extra would a zip file cost?  .001 cents ?

I'll pay that.

Just use Amazon's micro payments system

For everyone making use of it?

sure .. just offer the option

if you want zip .. pay 1c

But I do think it's incredibly superficial that I release half a 
decade worth of work, and the discussion on OSNews is entirely about 
how well I compressed it, and the discussion here is entirely about 
how bad I compressed it

I rounded upwards.

You don't understand. You need to sponsor our zipped downloads for 
hundreds, possibly tens of thousands of downloads

If I wrote some fanstastic treatise in French .. you would complain 
about the encryption method.

Let's be realistic .. how many downloads have you had?

Also, I have the file being served as a torrent on my PC .. I've 
not seen a single torrent client access it.

I don't have statistics yet, but Server must have been downloaded 
a number of hundred times now. Desktop has had up to ten thousand 
downloads per version, of the installation CD. Plus a similar number 
for the live CDs, plus about half that for the VMware images. Server 
is twice as big, and will have far more downloads when we get the 
graphical environment on it

Coming year will be our breakthrough year. At some point, we will 
be published in a big place, and the downloads will boom. And they're 
directly linked to my credit card, not yours

Giving away each Desktop costs us about a dollarcent now, Server 
is closer to two cents. This will only grow in the future

I might add that we're taking these costs for the sake of REBOL. 
There are many places who will host open source software as sponsors, 
and our Desktop installation CDs are still on SourceForge, but we 
can't do that with Syllable Server, because REBOL/Core is included

Syllable is entirely open source, except for REBOL. Once we port 
R3 to Syllable Desktop, we will have to pay for the hosting of Desktop 
ourselves, too

If you have a livePC as you did before, moka5 will host it for free.

Sure, but how about all the other form factors?

We've gone through a series of hosters, and it's a pain. We're consolidating 
on S3 now

I just checked my vmware appliance that does my torrents and I see 
the Syllable server now has 5 seeds, and my share ratio went up from 
0 to .5 now!

Do you have the BitTorrent ports on your firewall forwarded to that 
appliance? If not, you'll get a much smaller share of downloaders

If download violume is a problem for Syllable, could you find some 
people to mirror?

Nah, it's too much hassle, and we want the download statistics

Mirroring is automatic when people use BitTorrent, and we still get 
the statistics

Once the downloads go through the roof, we'll probably put up Google 
ads to balance the costs

That would work out, because our system downloads are still much 
smaller than the average Linux system

where do you get your stats from ? Directly from S3?

Yes. Have to write some analysis scripts - hopefully in ORCA

Is WLan stuff supported?

I think you could position Syllable with two major values:

1. Do you want to surf secure? Use Syllable, no virus etc will work

2. Do you want to avoid observation? Use Syllable, no root-kit etc. 
will work.

As goverments are moving to 1984 style, these two aspects will become 
more and more important.

Server now uses the Linux 2.6.22.1 kernel, so it has the new DeviceScape 
wireless stack

I haven't integrated the userspace tools yet, though; that's planned 
for the second release. I don't know yet how easy it will be then 
to configure wireless, without graphical tools

We definitely want to be something like "the Apple of open source". 
And unlike Apple, freedom is very important, too ;-)

The second Syllable newsletter has interviews with me about Syllable 
Server and our new website, so you can read a bit about our platform 
strategy and how we use REBOL in it:

http://osnews.com/story.php/18911/Syllable-Newsletter-Issue-2-Published

Here's the Syllable group.

thanks

have you got the ap from carl so you wil be ready to port R3 when 
its ready.

ap=api

I'm just now getting into closer contact

Do you mean the specs? They're not much use right now. We need code, 
as simple as that