World: r3wp

the plugin examples are mostly just View scripts, which run, but 
you can see them in the Web browser. The examples have source with 
them....but maybe all of them are using just plain View code.

http://www.rebol.net/plugin/demos/index.htmllike these

I see,  for the webbrowser plugin. Back to IE.   No I'll check them 
in Rebol/View

Great,  an object browser
http://www.rebol.net/plugin/demos/anamonitor.html

Nice one, Ammon. That's an often-needed function worthy of writing 
down.

Just remember CTX-TEXT ...  That's the object in which all of VID's 
text handling is contained...

Rolf ---- The plugin also runs under Firefox -- but you'll need the 
instructions:

http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/ml-display-message.r?m=rmlNRHC

I'm just giving those instructions a go now, using Firefox 1.0

----> moving to "plugin" group to discuss further...

Many changes occured on /View during 2004 and that's very good after 
a long period with no updates. What about 2005 now? How far is RT 
from an official cross plateform /View ? What will trigger the next 
new release?

Interesting question -what will trigger it? We now will have - newer 
GC, async core, AGG beta soon ... so what will come next? Maybe something 
from following stuff? - rif, rebin, plug-ins, rebservices? But only 
Carl knows his priorities ....

he has published them to us to read.

Is 'load allowed to modify source data? In all /View with sound support 
(on Windows,) when you do:
my-sound: read/binary %my-sound.wav
snd: load my-sound

'my-sound is modified! So successive 'load will return samples with 
bad data

Steve - what has Carl published?

snd: load copy my-sound

which is what I had to do to circumvent this problem.

Graham: yes, it's what I did after searching why all my riff-waves 
has unsigned big'endian data :-) 
- but is it a bug - or a documentation problem?

I've got one event that I am processing for timer events, and I want 
to start up another that shows a time elapsed.  But it seems I can't 
have both going at once ?

rebol []

newtimer: does [
	inform layout [
		timer2: info "00:00:00" 60 font [] rate 1 feel [
			engage: func [face action event] [
				if action = 'time [
					timer2/text: now/time
					show timer2
				]
			]
		]
	]
]

view layout [
	timer1: info "00:00:00" 60 font [] rate 1 feel [
		engage: func [face action event] [
			if action = 'time [
				timer1/text: now/time
				show timer1
			]
		]
	]
	button "New timer" [newtimer]
]

Both timers freeze when I inform the new layout.

when I close the new layout, the original timer restarts

Is that a bug, or just a by product of the way 'inform works?

If I change the button action to

	button "New timer" [timer1/rate: none show timer1 newtimer]

then the new timer starts up ...

Vincent, I'd say that's a bug. I also found just playing different 
sounds (inserting different sounds that were only loaded once each), 
that the audio format would change randomly ! 8-bit <-> 16-bit, 22.05kHz 
<-> 44.1kHz etc... and the sound quality eventually degrades, obviously.

Graham, I'd say that's a problem of the inform system. Check out 
Romano's INFORM patch and WAKE-EVENT patch.

why aren't those in latest alphas then?

dunno

Graham, you might have to additionally patch INFORM so that it calls 
SHOW-POPUP/AWAY (adding the refinement), because (from my notes):

SHOW-POPUP:

 There are 4 types of modal windows: plain, /window, /away, /window/away
	/window  - puts popup inside pane of an existing window

 /away    - allow handling of events of other faces than the popup 
 face eg. [time inactive key] in Romano's patch

(actually I think Romano mainly wrote that originally).

Pekr, those patches still have issues to be dealt with; they are 
very complex, affect a lot of things, and do not have a lot of discussion.

/away must be used for menu like popup

/window open a new window

/window/away is a window which behaves like a menu (disappears when 
user click outside)

any thoughts on Graham'

s timer inside a layout problem, above ?

i can only say they they do not freeze with my patch

Modal rebol system has MANY bugs. Must be fixed to be used.

where are Romano's patches to be found?

I never could get SHOW-POPUP to properly act like a menu so I hacked 
my own solution that may provide some insight for you.  You can find 
it on REBOL.org...  Dropdown.r

Romano's event patch seems to have fixed the problem for me.

here http://www.rebol.it/~romano/under 2.4

very good

where do I find the docs for hide (like to hide a password typed 
in?)  I know I have read it somewhere...

http://www.rebol.com/how-to/fields.html#sect3.6.maybe?

http://www.rebol.com/how-to/fields.html#sect3.6.

Strange, the last dot in the link dissappear.

I "find"ed for it there earlier but missed...silly me...but thanks.

aha!  hide uses data...that is what got me.

Does one still have the Carl's script for benchmarking your machine 
(with Rebol-Hz ans so on) ?