World: r3wp

you don't like sum [ 1 2 3 4] syntax anymore ? ;-)

hehe

but i agree for one thing, the comma should be loaded as a valid 
token in rebol

so, we shoold free to use it as we want

*should be

darn I hate object oriented development... I've come to a point where 
I need multiple inheritence in rebol (which I can hack) but some 
methods overlap and I need both for the object to be compliant... 
again, I can hack most of this ... but the fact that I just came 
to this point reminds me of the down sides of using objects (in any 
language)...

yep agree too

overall a big can of worms  :-(  the slightest little mistake in 
the future (forgetting a detail in a year from now) could lead to 
a 2 day bug fest... even if documented, some side-effects can't be 
pre-identified.

i think it's a problem when any type of source becomme huge

Rebol don't solve this problem

I'm now thinking of flattening the whole object inheritence tree 
and adding switches, to enable some options.

Even in languages which provide some support for this issue... in 
the end it becomes an issue anyways... every time you want to change 
something, you end up asking your self more questions because of 
the "features" of the object paradigm, than the actual problem you 
are trying to solve.

yep it's an endless issue in our karma

we are too perfectionnist :-)

it's the main raison why gurus can't produce business release of 
their idea

raison = reason

there is some exceptions for sure :-)

what use  "native" function ?

Native functions are functions that are hardwired into the kernel 
of REBOL. So you cannot see source of such a functions. http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/REBOL_Programming/Internals

If you mean the NATIVE func that you can see in REBOL, I think that's 
used only to document native funcs; to create a REBOL spec for use 
with HELP.

ach.. interesting.. I missed this function:)

This is just my opinion, but all you guru's...


Don't lead Carl to add early termination to function argument scans.

Some of us aren't as smart or as thorough as you...  :)

How do you know that it isn't for your own good, then ? ;)

You are correct sir.  But I had to try.  :)

any one ever encountered an error in REBOL's binding?  yesterday 
I stumbled for hours on a bug in REBOL's interpretation... really.

for some reason, it seems that binding does not handle sub objects 
very well.


strangely, it seems that in a circumstance I cannot determine (and 
cannot reproduce)  when you have a series of nested objects at some 
point, even if you remake all parts of the inner objects, you still 
end up with functions which call previous bindings, thus calling 
the wrong functions!


I had to explicitely call the paths from the supplied outermost object 
back to the current object in order to reach my own local function:

ex:

within the body of a function in objc, I had to call this:

instance/ctx/other-function 


instead of only 'other-function. yet they are defined in the same 
make !

oops objc = ctx

I tried recreating the error and somehow it happens only in a circumstance 
which I can't determine... but its a strange issue cause its the 
first time I hit this in all my years as a reboler.

There are weird, hard to produce errors lurking inside REBOL.

Run 150,000 (separate) CGI sessions and you'll average one unexplainable 
crash......That's the stats from REBOL.org, anyway.

wait for R3 then ....

you will experience .... many more crashes :-)

hahahaha

sunanda, I get some nasty crashes with rugby sometimes. I could tear 
my hair out, but decided that this will probably be fixed for R3. 
:-)

pekr: there goes all the negativity again... aren't you doing meditation 
to help you with that?   ;-)

I also experience strange out-of-memory conditions at times with 
non-CGI scripts. I can usually tweak some code until it stops, but 
it does look like garbage collection problems.

I fortunately got one of those crashes drilled down to a few lines 
of code, but it has not been fixed yet, sitting idly in RAMBO.

what negativity? I put smiley to what I said ;-) It is just clear, 
that most new system experience new bugs, no? It will be the same 
for R3, so looking forward to R3.1 already :-)

I know... was just pulling your leg... so you will come and see all 
those crashes at the devcon? yes?

you know, you and I in the same room will make some space-time continuum 
bubble, which will make R3 even more crash prone ;-)  all of that 
negativity swirling around like a maelstrom.

I will save my energy for next year's devcon -imagine - hundreds 
of new R3 users around the world and then elite (current community 
members) telling stories about R2 and old, not always so good, days 
:-)

you could hide in ladislav's luggage  ;-)

and call in sick  ;-)

MULTI-SWITCH:  New function in the code-snippet check list.

If you have a series of nested objects, how do you get the value 
of say, the nth nested object?


is there something like : get in object 'obj1/obj2/obj3/obj4/....objn/parameter

perhaps if you convert the path to a block?

Just wondering if there will be a shortcut method of accessing an 
object

>> to-block 'i/hate/icecream/yes/i/do
== [i hate icecream yes i do]

>> to-path head clear at to-block 'i/hate/icecream/yes/i/do 4
== i/hate/icecream

>> pick 'i/hate/icecream/yes/i/do 3                          
== icecream

This is not accessing the object