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BrianH
19-Jun-2010
[17095]
Yes he would have - the problem was independent of using the string. 
But it would have been less obvious if he had used a word from the 
beginning. Good opportunity for an object lesson though: He was asking 
about a "global context" in R3.
Ladislav
19-Jun-2010
[17096x2]
>> is-email-addr: get bind 'email? bind? 'system
(just works, no strangenesses)
BrianH
19-Jun-2010
[17098]
Ah, but that is assuming that the code is run at the top level. Judging 
by that particular code snippet, it looks like something from inside 
a function, and one that is likely in a context has 'email? already 
defined. Still, the fact that INTERN is already run on normal scripts 
(and the module equivalent run on modules) means that he likely wouldn't 
need to do this with the main contexts, just inner contexts.
Ladislav
19-Jun-2010
[17099]
did you mean this?


>> f: func [/local email?] [is-email-addr: get bind 'email? bind? 
'system]
>> f
BrianH
19-Jun-2010
[17100]
Yeah, something like that. I added a question about using words instead 
of strings.
Ladislav
19-Jun-2010
[17101]
so, I have to insist, that everybody using strings instead of words 
deserves every disaster he gets for not adhering to documented "best 
practices"
BrianH
19-Jun-2010
[17102]
Those who don't use LOAD are condemned to reinvent it, badly :)
Fork
19-Jun-2010
[17103x2]
Has to do with implementation of this function: http://github.com/hostilefork/Rebmu/blob/master/rebmu.r#L448
Instead of [REMAP-DATATYPE email! email? "em"] I'd like [REMAP-DATATYPE 
email! "em"], but was confounded in trying to figure out how to write 
a version of that which worked reliably.
Ladislav
20-Jun-2010
[17105x2]
just BTW, an expression like

    is-email-addr: get bind load "email?" bind? 'system

can be expressed using a shorter form

    is-email-addr: get bind load "email?" 'system
, which is, in fact, the same, as:

    is-email-addr: get load "email?"
Graham
22-Jun-2010
[17107x3]
this is something curious I just noticed.

If you pass a file as a parameter to a rebol program on the dos command 
line it works
but if you do the same in a dos batch file, it does not
eg:. script.exe %/c/rebol/myfile.dat

works from the dos command line

but to get it to work in a batch file you have to do this

script.exe %%/c/rebol/myfile.dat
I presume it's because the command processor tries to do a substitution 
using the %
Anton
23-Jun-2010
[17110]
That would be it.
DideC
24-Jun-2010
[17111]
%
 is the variable begin/end tag. ie:
	C:\> set directory=c:\windows
	C:\> dir %directory%


But in batch file, it's also the begin tag for a "number" variable 
equal to the n'th parameter of the script. %1 for first param, %2 
for second... ie:
	C:\> type mybatch.bat
	dir %1

	C:\> mybatch.bat c:\windows
Graham
24-Jun-2010
[17112]
So, is there any other way to escape the % ?
DideC
24-Jun-2010
[17113]
I though escape char was ^, so let's try "^%"
Graham
24-Jun-2010
[17114x2]
Not in a batch file .. doesn't work
that's the Rebol escape char
Fork
24-Jun-2010
[17116x2]
http://tinyurl.com/3amb3zh:)
%% is a typical answer, since doubling the escape/meta character 
is usually sensible.  Well, to the extent that batch files are sensible.
Graham
24-Jun-2010
[17118]
I guess it was a good guess then :)
Oldes
25-Jun-2010
[17119]
>> f: func[][ print "kuk" make error! "bla"]  f
kuk
** User Error: bla
** Near: make error! "bla"


Is there any way how to get something more useful in the "Near:" 
part of the user error?
Sunanda
25-Jun-2010
[17120]
This will get you a "near f" message and an arg1 code of 404, but 
 not an error of type 'user --- is that more useful?
    f: func[][ print "kuk" make error! 404]
    if error? bad: try [f] [probe disarm bad]
Oldes
25-Jun-2010
[17121]
no... it isn't. the neer is again just [make error! 404]
Sunanda
25-Jun-2010
[17122]
Sorry....my mistake. 
    'near is '[make error] as before
but
    'where is 'f (rather than none)
So _slightly_ more useful?
Oldes
25-Jun-2010
[17123]
Yes.. that's true.. but in real life I need more complex message 
instead of "bla"
Sunanda
25-Jun-2010
[17124]
f: func[][ print "kuk" make error! ["complex" 9999]] f
'where gives you 'f

'near gives you a whole block -- lots of room for a complex message 
:)
Oldes
25-Jun-2010
[17125x4]
it's not so easy as it does not allow to add some variables... for 
example:

>> f: func[][ val: random 10000 make error! reduce ["complex" val]] 
f
** Script Error: Invalid argument: complex
** Where: f
** Near: make error! reduce ["complex" val]
>> f: func[][ val: random 10000 err: reduce ["complex" val] make 
error! err] f
** Script Error: Invalid argument: complex
** Where: f
** Near: make error! err
I use:

>> f: func[][ val: random 10000 make error! reform ["complex" val]] 
f
** User Error: complex 7367
** Near: make error! reform ["complex" val]
but would like to change the neer to place where the f is called
but maybe the user defined errors are not suitable for that
Maxim
25-Jun-2010
[17129x3]
you can use an object spec block to define errors, but you have to 
know proper codes or else the error won't build itself.
is there a way to get access to the main script's header within code 
you execute using 'DO

when I 
do %source.r

and source.r defined as:

 print system/script/header/title

I get the title of the source.r file... not the main script.
well after a little bit of screwing around I came up with this function:

	;-----------------
	;-     get-application-title()
	;-----------------
	get-application-title: func [
		/local script parent
	][
		parent: system/script
		until [
			script: parent
			parent: script/parent
			none? parent/header
		]
		script/title
	]
Ladislav
25-Jun-2010
[17132]
f: func[[catch]][print "kuk" throw make error! "bla"]  f
Fork
25-Jun-2010
[17133x2]
>> add 10 50%
== 10.5
Hmm, I find that a little disappointing, it would seem that if one 
is going to bother having a special datatype for percent it would 
come out as 15.
Maxim
25-Jun-2010
[17135]
percents represent the amount, its not just an alternate notation 
for decimal, like tags for strings.
BrianH
25-Jun-2010
[17136]
You are missing a multiplication.
Fork
25-Jun-2010
[17137]
Well, I know, but I just mean that if functions can detect what types 
they get then making [add (something) (percent)] do the same thing 
as [add (something) to-decimal percent] seems a little less exciting 
than if it "knew what you meant".  There's sort of a dimensional 
analysis thing... adding integers and percents doesn't make a lot 
of semantic sense unless you're speaking about adding a number to 
a percentage of itself.
Rebolek
25-Jun-2010
[17138]
There was very long debate on this, when percents were implemented 
and this is the result and you should have to live with it.
BrianH
25-Jun-2010
[17139x2]
Well, you are assuming that 10 is what the 50% was supposed to apply 
to. REBOL can't make that assumption - it has to do whatyou tell 
it to do, not what you want it to do.
Unless you want all numeric operations on the percent! type to include 
implicit multiplication.
Fork
25-Jun-2010
[17141]
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10+%2B+50%25
Rebolek
25-Jun-2010
[17142]
Yes, Fork told REBOL to add 50% to 10. And result is 10.5 ...
Fork
25-Jun-2010
[17143x2]
OTOH: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=10+%2B+50%25&aq=f&aqi=h1g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
But if you asked me whether to go to Google Calculator or Wolfram 
Alpha as the source for mathematical intuition, I'd choose the latter 
myself.