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Janko 13-Jun-2009 [13983] | If you don't see anything massively wrong with it I will start using it again and I will see . |
Maxim 13-Jun-2009 [13984] | the copy is a good idea though, cause if you use it for real data, some functions can mangle the content of the block. I'd even do a copy/deep |
Janko 13-Jun-2009 [13985] | aha.. yes .. this is true.. I will add it |
Maxim 13-Jun-2009 [13986] | copy could optionally be a refinement, if you know that the test isn't destructive... cause copy will be a performance hit . |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [13987x3] | copy/deep isn't necessary, since only the top level is modified (unless the PRE argument isn't modifying) |
(unless the PRE argument *is* modifying) | |
hmm, the behaviour looks strange | |
Janko 13-Jun-2009 [13990] | what do you mean? |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [13991x2] | aha, why don't you use: |
any-is?: func [ 'PRE s ] [ while [ not tail? s ] [ s: next insert s PRE ] any head s ] | |
Janko 13-Jun-2009 [13993x2] | you mean without the reduce? |
if it works without it it would bebetter.. then it would also be lazy as any is | |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [13995] | >> any-is? empty? [ "asd" "Asdas" "" none ] == true |
Janko 13-Jun-2009 [13996] | yes :) I noticed on that example also that it doesn't work lazy as any .. but I didn't know I can remove reduce |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [13997] | well, it's REBOL ;-). (*Don't* use REDUCE unless absolutely necessary, at least I do it that way) |
Janko 13-Jun-2009 [13998x2] | aha, it really works as it should now |
I don't know why I put it there.. did I try and somehow couldn't make it work or just assumed I need it | |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [14000] | I suppose the latter |
Janko 13-Jun-2009 [14001x2] | probably yes |
maybe this behaviour was bugging me .. because I know I use the order of things in any or all a lot of times to avoid null errors and similar .. and any-is? always preprocessed all elements | |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [14003] | so, now you know, why I "whine" against using REDUCE by default in mezzanines ;-) |
Janko 13-Jun-2009 [14004x2] | :) |
reduce is evil !! :) | |
Maxim 13-Jun-2009 [14006] | yes, especially since we can reduce on demand as we are send args : -) |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [14007] | BTW, (shameless plug) I am using INCLUDE instead of DO from the console when doing scripts, since I have an extensive INCLUDE-PATH, so I don't have to write the directory of the script, just its name |
Janko 13-Jun-2009 [14008] | hm.. that is usefull .. now I am copying my common library files around , then I could have them all in one location |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [14009x4] | not necessary at all ;-) |
(my user.r first does %include.r, that is the most frequently used script here) | |
Max prefers his Slim, I know | |
BTW, Max: how old is the newest Slim version? | |
Maxim 13-Jun-2009 [14013x2] | very ;-) I fixed a little issue with interdependant libraries last month, but a part from that it has remained the same for years. |
slim is practically the same as module in philosophy, and in many areas the same functionaly too. | |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [14015] | yes, I remember our discussion about it |
Maxim 13-Jun-2009 [14016x2] | I use slim and prebol together within the sdk, it works very well. I should use %include.r though, its much better and would solve a few little complexities I have with using the prerebol.r |
when I get to working on the linking within distro-bot, I'll use %include.r instead of prebol.r... I also want to integreate %run.r from rebol.org into it. | |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [14018] | it is quite surprising for me, that Carl is not a fan of the PREBOL approach, taking into account, that he invented it. I had a version of INCLUDE before PREBOL came and adapted it to the PREBOL standard afterwards |
Maxim 13-Jun-2009 [14019] | Carl's mind is too dynamic for static linking. |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [14020] | ...but in REBOL nothing is static |
Maxim 13-Jun-2009 [14021] | prebol is... you have to build your script before executing it.... which is why I prefer %include.r |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [14022] | aha, that is what you mean |
Maxim 13-Jun-2009 [14023] | and slim, which has the same dynamic and static linking capabilities. |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [14024] | ...but INCLUDE (in essence) is just a combination of PREBOL and DO, so nothing really new |
Maxim 13-Jun-2009 [14025] | IMHO Carl should use %include.r in the next releases of sdk (R2 or R3). |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [14026x2] | Not invented here may be a problem... |
...but I will try to convince him | |
Maxim 13-Jun-2009 [14028] | yes Carl does seem to have that trait... which many of us share. ;-) |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [14029] | (that is why we use REBOL ;-) - to be able to do everything on our own |
Maxim 13-Jun-2009 [14030] | use the angle that is actually simpler to use than prebol... cause it really is. |
Ladislav 13-Jun-2009 [14031] | should write that to the discussion page |
Maxim 13-Jun-2009 [14032] | I do think that Carl is starting to open up to other people's ideas. most of the bad decisions in R1 & R2 where not of Carl's design... so that usually makes one weary. |
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