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I couldn't but I see the difference using it.

It seems hard to use, it often result in using twice the memory, 
that people expect. And it might even lead to pad program structure.

pad -> bad

newPread: func [URL] [read/binary URL]  ;  I only want the large 
timeout in this function, not in other 'read calls


f: has [file] [file: copy/part read %somefile 30 comment "do something 
with the file" return file] ; I'm also going for readability, otherwise 
I would have done something like this with the original code

John, actually the piece I think I was showing you the first time 
is what I meant.  The series in the second one is actually desired 
behavior.

f: func [/local q][q: "blahblahblahblahblah" also q q: none]

Is this expected behaviour?

>> f: func [/local q][q: "blahblahblahblahblah" also q q: none]
>> a: f
== "blahblahblahblahblah"
>> source f
f: func [/local q][q: "blahblahblahblahblah" also q q: none]
>> insert a "hmm"
== "blahblahblahblahblah"
>> source f
f: func [/local q][q: "hmmblahblahblahblahblah" also q q: none]
>> a: none
== none
>> source f
f: func [/local q][q: "hmmblahblahblahblahblah" also q q: none]

Izkata, you got a point with your Pread. But it's not a secure function, 
because it may crash. Let me see, how I would make such a function...

Works for me John

>> a: f: has [q][q: "blahblahblahblahblah" also q q: none]
>> a
== "blahblahblahblahblah"

Now do:
source f

>> f
== "blahblahblahblahblah"
>> a: f
== "blahblahblahblahblah"
>> source f
f: func [/local q][q: "blahblahblahblahblah" also q q: none]

what is wrong with it?

So what does your q: none at the end do? It doesn't release any memory.

I believe it does.  I believe that q will be freed.

You can see, it doesn't this way:

>> f: func [/local q][q: "blahblahblahblahblah" also q q: none]
>> a: f
== "blahblahblahblahblah"
>> insert a "more blahblahblahblah"
== "blahblahblahblahblah"
>> source f

f: func [/local q][q: "more blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah" 
also q q: none]

Look at the source of f. Notice the "more blahblah...."

Oh, I see.

then what about this:

a: f: has [q][q: copy "blahblahblahblahblah" also q q: none]

That last one I forgot is no different then the one I showed you 
earlier.

So I don't know in this case.  Is q actually set to none or would 
it be anyway on the return from the function since it used copy? 
 Dunno.

unfortunatly the same story...
does anybody knows why a replace on the second and third also
changes the first letter?  ^JKSE = %5E/KSE and  ^IKSE = %5E-KSE
but ^MERV = %5EMERV and therefore okay.

	probe load replace/all  mold "^MERV" #^ "%5E"
	probe load replace/all  mold "^JKSE" #^ "%5E"
	probe load replace/all  mold "^IKSE" #^ "%5E"

any advise is highly appreciated...
tom

Paul, in your last example with copy, the q memory is released, and 
the string after copy remains. So this actually is a version with 
something gained. Now I have to think, if I would do it this way.

Tom: it's not the replace that's doing it...
>> "^IKSE"
== "^-KSE"
>> "^MERV"
== "^MERV"
>> "^JKSE"
== "^/KSE"
>> "^IKSE"
== "^-KSE"

but I have no actual answer

Well, ^I is a control-i.. and in vim, that inserts a tab.  ^- is 
the tab character in Rebol

I must go to class now

thx for the info izkata.

Paul, I would probably do:

o: context [q: "blahblah" f: does [insert q "more blah" q]]


And my that have full control over q. It depends on the application, 
I guess.

my -> by

I'll stick with ALSO.  ;-)

Izkata, about the timeout. It seems here, that when the open/binary 
returns, the data is immediately available, so the timeout has no 
effect. I'm on OS X, maybe it's different under windows?

Anyway, I can now see, how you use ALSO with ports. By using a function 
approach, you choose to copy the data out to some further external 
computation. And it's up to the user of the function to free the 
data, when finished. I would take an object approach and store the 
data in the object. Then external computation can work on the data 
in the object. I feel, it's confusing using ALSO, but maybe it's 
just me.

An object approach could look like this:

Ports: context [
	Port: none
	Data: none

	Pread: func [URL] [
		either error? try [Port: open/binary URL] [
			print ["Can't open:" URL]
			false
		][
			Data: copy Port
			close Port
			true
		]
	]
]

Using it would then be:

if Ports/Pread http://www.rebol.com[
	... do something with Ports/Data ...
]

Where I see a potential problem with ALSO, is if you in a function 
load a local var with a huge amount of data, say 1GB. And then to 
release that data ends your function with:
also copy local-data local-data: none


At that moment between the two arguments to ALSO, you have 2 GB of 
data allocated. The first 1 GB is freed, when the garbage collector 
comes to it.

So is this your assurance to us that we will never see ALSO in your 
code?

No no, I never say never. ehh ;-)

Geomol: [Izkata, about the timeout. It seems here, that when the 
open/binary returns, the data is immediately available, so the timeout 
has no effect. I'm on OS X, maybe it's different under windows?]

I'm on Ubuntu  ;)  but yeah, now that I think about it, that's true. 
 Originally it was written differently, and the error appeared to 
be on the copy.  I added it when mininova was timing out on certain 
requests due to high load - it seemed to make a difference then, 
but I don't know if it was coincidence or not.

mininova ? torrenting?

Yeah, the internal function that RSS plugins on Azureus use broke 
at some point, so I'm doing it this way now.  Much nicer, as I can 
collect more information, etc

If you're thinking I'm making a torrrent client in Rebol, not yet 
 ;)

I suspect R2 is not up to it ...

Probably not, but it would be interesting to try

Then again, R2 has surprised me with my current project

networking is not a strong point

Geomol, your last "potential problem with ALSO" is not exclusive 
to ALSO. It's a potential problem anywhere COPY is abused by a programmer 
not knowing what's going on.

The way to return the large amount of data and to release the local 
from it is of course like this:

	also local-data local-data: none

load-mp3-data: func [file /local contents][
	contents: read/binary file
	; <- modify contents here
	also contents contents: none
]

data: load-mp3-data %song.mp3

so this frees contents??

just to say there is no need  anymore to unset the local vars in 
R3