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BrianH 18-Dec-2008 [11691] | Fixed length. Databases usually work in increments of disk pages because it is faster. |
[unknown: 5] 18-Dec-2008 [11692x2] | But at a cost |
What if declared a field varchar[2000] and you only populate it with 50? | |
BrianH 18-Dec-2008 [11694] | Varchars are slower in practice. You can minimize the overhead of disk page access by packing pages if you have to. The OS reads in pages anyways. |
[unknown: 5] 18-Dec-2008 [11695] | I have minimized it to a greater extent. |
BrianH 18-Dec-2008 [11696] | A read of less than 1 disk page is just as slow as a read of 1 disk page. |
[unknown: 5] 18-Dec-2008 [11697] | I'm hitting you privately. |
BrianH 18-Dec-2008 [11698] | Ouch :) |
Steeve 18-Dec-2008 [11699x2] | say Oooooo to relax your sphincter muscles Brian |
forget that | |
Chris 19-Dec-2008 [11701x3] | A 'bind question: how do I construct an object containing blocks without changing the blocks' contexts? This bad: >> id: #foo == #foo >> blk: [id] == [id] >> reduce blk == [#foo] >> ctx: context append/only [id: #bar bk:] blk >> reduce ctx/bk == [#bar] This good: >> id: #foo == #foo >> blk: [id] == [id] >> reduce blk == [#foo] >> ctx: magic-context append/only [id: #bar bk:] blk >> reduce ctx/bk == [#foo] How to 'magic-context ? |
Ugly answer: magic-context: func [blk [block!] /local out][ out: context join extract blk 2 [none] set out extract/index blk 2 2 ] | |
I was hoping 'construct would do it, but alas not. | |
Ammon 19-Dec-2008 [11704] | >> ctx: context append/only [id: #bar blk:] reduce blk >> ctx/blk == [#foo] |
[unknown: 5] 20-Dec-2008 [11705x3] | What is the best way to set all locals in a function to none before returning the result of the function if you have an extensive list of locals? |
Myself I think that should be the default behavior. | |
I know for recursive operations that may not be desireable but I think they could introduce maybe another feature that allows certain ones to not be cleared. For example, add an exclude native to the system to exclude the clearing of certain locals. | |
Geomol 20-Dec-2008 [11708] | Is there a better way than just doing: var1: var2: var3: ... varN: none |
[unknown: 5] 20-Dec-2008 [11709x2] | Well if you got say 15 or more it just looks ugly. |
would be nice if you could just have a command inside your function that says clear-locals. | |
Geomol 20-Dec-2008 [11711] | That would require to get access to locals from the outside of a function. I'm not away of a way to do that. |
[unknown: 5] 20-Dec-2008 [11712] | I don't think so if it could be bound inside the calling function. |
Geomol 20-Dec-2008 [11713x2] | *aware* of a way ... |
You still need to get easy access to all the locals. Like having them in a series. | |
Sunanda 20-Dec-2008 [11715] | If you know the "name" of the function, then you can get at the variables: f: func [a b /local c d e] [print mold first :f] f 1 2 Then you could run a loop for all those after /local |
Geomol 20-Dec-2008 [11716] | Ah, that's right! :-) |
Gregg 20-Dec-2008 [11717] | 1) what is the purpose of clearing the locals? 2) how often do you need to do this, where the list is large? i.e. does it indicate a design issue? |
[unknown: 5] 20-Dec-2008 [11718x4] | I tried that after I posted Sunanda but even though I could get to them I was still able to out put a value of the local before setting them to none that way so what that meant was that even though I attempted to set them to none! that way that it didn't take (and didn't give me an error either). |
Gregg, to reduce memory overhead and allow the garbage collector to give back some memory. | |
Gregg, I don't think your second question matters to me. What matters is efficiency to me. | |
Sundanda , here is a test: | |
Geomol 20-Dec-2008 [11722] | I found a way to set all locals to none, while just specifying one of the locals, and it isn't beautiful, I'm afraid: f: func [/local a b c][ a: 1 b: 2 c: 3 print [a b c] ; This next line set all locals to none: set next bind first :f 'a none print [a b c] ] Running the function in the console: >> f 1 2 3 none none none >> |
[unknown: 5] 20-Dec-2008 [11723x4] | myfunc: func [ /local lcl lcl2][ lcl: "I still have a value" print mold lcl2: next find third get 'myfunc /local foreach item lcl2 [print mold item] foreach item lcl2 [print mold get :item] foreach item lcl2 [set :item none!] print lcl ] |
Grrr, I see something I did wrong in my test. | |
myfunc: func [ /local lcl lcl2][ lcl: "I still have a value" print mold lcl2: next find third get 'myfunc /local foreach item lcl2 [print mold item] foreach item lcl2 [print mold get :item] foreach item lcl2 [set :item none] print lcl ] | |
Yeah John, that is the way I think it has to be done by using 'bind. | |
Geomol 20-Dec-2008 [11727] | My example only works for functions, which doesn't take arguments. If a function take argument, you need: f: func [v /local a b c][ a: 1 b: 2 c: 3 print [a b c] set next find bind first :f 'a /local none print [a b c] ] |
[unknown: 5] 20-Dec-2008 [11728] | right |
Geomol 20-Dec-2008 [11729] | Hard to read that setting-to-none line, and I haven't found a way to do it by a function call (like a clear-locals function). |
[unknown: 5] 20-Dec-2008 [11730] | Its a good idea though - isn't it? |
Geomol 20-Dec-2008 [11731] | Yes, a native clear-locals seem like a good idea. |
[unknown: 5] 20-Dec-2008 [11732] | I agree |
BrianH 20-Dec-2008 [11733] | Remember, all of the parameters are locals, not just the ones after the /locals refinement. |
[unknown: 5] 20-Dec-2008 [11734] | yeah true. We should be setting the args to none also. |
BrianH 20-Dec-2008 [11735] | If you don't want to corrupt things before you return the value from the function, use ALSO - that is what it was designed for. |
[unknown: 5] 20-Dec-2008 [11736] | Yeah I love Also Brian and glad you implemented that. But this is really related to all the other non returned values. |
BrianH 20-Dec-2008 [11737] | R3 doesn't have this problem, so you are not likely to get a native. |
Geomol 20-Dec-2008 [11738] | :-) It gets worse, if all parameters should be set to none: f: func [v /local a b c][ a: 1 b: 2 c: 3 print [v a b c] set bind head remove find first :f /local 'a none print [v a b c] ] Try: >> f 42 |
BrianH 20-Dec-2008 [11739] | Keep in mind that unless you have a known name reference to a function, the code inside the function has no idea which function it is inside, so a native would need a reference to a function or a word with the function assigned to it or it won't work - natives aren't magic. |
Geomol 20-Dec-2008 [11740] | Hm, I don't need the HEAD, so it can be: set bind remove find first :f /local 'a none |
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