World: r3wp

:)

Kaj: voting systems may not be effective on small groups, but they 
are not harmful in any way in that case. So having it would mean 
that the system scales automatically: in small groups, you just "block" 
or ignore people; in bigger groups, you use voting.

Happy New Year to one and all.

Happy New Year

Happy new Year, is anyone already in 2012 (if so, hi from the past 
;))

Not yet in France, maybe Graham

Past mid day for me in the New Year, and it's finally stopped raining!

Crappy weather here and it's just past midnight. Didn't get any good 
fireworks pictures.

All the city council fireworks were cancelled here

too costly?

too wet ...they thoiught no one would come to watch them

Happy New Year to everyone!

I was in centrum Copenhagen with lots of fireworks. This year I noticed 
several larger BOOMs than normally. That's not very funny, and I 
don't know, what people are thinking. Small bangs are ok with me, 
even if they're not legal here, but these were like grenades.

Happy New Year!

Our wonderful municipality spent tons of money on fireworks (they 
have obsession with fireworks, the will cut 20% money for childern 
and seniors support  this year, but the huge budget for fireworks 
show will stay same) this year and then they shoot all the rockets 
into impenetrable fog and nobody was able to see anything but some 
blurry spots. I just love them.

In Maui everyone sets off their own pretty heavy grade fireworks. 
 Enough that I found about 20+ "shell casings (paper) around my property, 
and tey were all over the streetss.

Here, people do this as well, usually ends with 5-10 people a year 
in the hospital with a lost eye or hand. They also shoot fireworks 
up to a month before new year and a few days after to get rid of 
the left overs.

Endo asks in Announce:
> Why Ladislav's include.r is not on rebol.org?

I'm not sure there needs to be reason. Ladislav is free to publish 
anywhere he likes.

For those looking for include.r -- you can find it here:
   http://www.fm.vslib.cz/~ladislav/rebol/

Sure he is free to publish anywhere he likes, but it is the first 
place to look at, for me and most of the people (beginners especially).

I have tons of dead links to REBOL pages & scripts moved somewhere 
else. And also it is more difficult to have new versions of those 
script not on rebol.org

For example BrianH's csv-tools.r is a great script, useful for most 
people. But I'm sure if it wasn't on the rebol.org many people would 
try to re-invent the wheel. Anyway, just an idea.

I totally agree with Endo. If anyone has scripts useful to many people 
(like me ;) ) is invited to publish them on rebol.org. "Sharing is 
caring".

the other argument is that one should not put all one's eggs into 
one basket.  Rebol.org is owned by RT ....

GrahamC, still "the one" should (or may) put a link to the original 
script, this gives more chance to people to find it. Not all Rebolers 
use AltMe, it is difficult for beginners.

There are a ot of things that should be done but aren't.  All the 
librarians can do is track the various sites and attempt to mirror 
the scripts.  We have lost whole sites in the past ...

Wouldn't gitHubbing the script library solve these concerns?

Would certainly be easier for contributing, versions tracking, documentation 
using the wiki, ...

Please, be so kind and respect the group purposes. For example, I 
would welcome you not discussing general topics in the "Carl Only" 
group, "Saphirion" group, etc.

Still more curious which one of "Carl" and "only" is not understandable.

the discussion is for Carl to read ..if it's Carl only then only 
Carls can post, right?

Only Carl posting......That is my understanding, Graham....That is 
more-or-less what Carl asked for in the group back in feb-2005.

It's had short bursts of non-Carl posts several times since then. 
I guess some of us get too excited to search for a topic-specific 
group before posting :)

I think it is Ladislav, who understands the meaning of the group 
differently. I definitely translate is - post messages you want Carl 
to read. So - in recent situation, when Carl reappeared and is hopefully 
considering next steps, talk about the arguments for open-sourcing 
R3 is pretty much valid in mybook ...

You should read:

- the name of the group

- Carl's original posting (I bet that you did pretending now you 
did not)
- Sunanda's explanation
- etc.


Or you can accuse me of whatever you want, since it is what you *wish*

I didn't notice or think enough, I won't post any more

- name of the group does not explain anything at all imo

- I can see no Carl's original posting, my first message is from 
4/Jan/2004, from Shadwolf. Then Anton, "none", Reviewer and me guessing, 
if it is "from" Carl, or "to" Carl, which in itself clearly shows, 
than more than one person had problem understanding original purpose 
of the group
- Sunanda's explanation is just that -  his opinion
- there is no etc. :-)

-  I am not accusing anyone from anything :-) I know it helps from 
time to time, to keep groups being on-topic, and I can understand 
that in the case of Saphirion, but as for me, recent  Carl only's 
post are far less off topic than some prior discussions in that group.


For god's or anyone sake, it will be best for me to create pekr-only 
group, giving anyone any persmission to post anything :-)

name of the group does not explain anything at all imo

 - it does for anybody being able to read. Your "post messages you 
 want Carl to read" is just twisting the meaning. There is no excuse 
 for you doing so ("I can see no Carl's original posting") since you 
 cannot deny you read the original posting. That would be just another 
 twist of reality (a lie) and you should know it as well as I do. 
 As far as the rest of your twisting logic is presented, I react with 
 "no comment".

Ladislav - I start to think, that sometimes you have really problem 
with perceiving reality, as marking my non rememberance of Carl's 
original post as a lie, is a bit exagerrated imo.


Look - I don't care about any academic claims like "since you cannot 
deny you rea the original posting". The reality is, the group went 
so off-topic even when Carl was presented, that for me it really 
does not matter, how accurate your explanation of original group 
meaning is.


If I, or anyone else think, that it is good to post there any messages 
for Carl to read, then we will do so, easy as that. I think that 
life is more dynamic, than pedantly adhering to rules, especially 
in case there is a proof those rules were far more not adhered to 
in the past. I always do things as I feel them being right, not how 
any "written law" suggests, so If I feel that I want to send a message 
to Carl that way, I will do so.

Now I depart from all this nonsense ...

If I, or anyone else think, that it is good to post there any messages 
for Carl to read, then we will do so, easy as that.

 - yes, that is exactly what I pointed at. It is the "I *wish*" philosophy, 
 which can, in fact, be used to justify everything

Interesting, that even 7 years ago, 5-Jan-2005, the purpose of the 
group was not clear enough to some other ppl. Two messages later 
Carl logged in, not commenting on the purpose of the group itself. 
And to be fair - back at that time I though it is actually from Carl, 
but I don't think so anymore. It's not about the pov change, even 
back then it was all speculation on my, and others side ... 


ReViewer: Just wondering, "Carl Only Messages" means this group is 
read only except for Carl?

Anton: Yes, it's a bit ambiguous, isn' t it ? I think the group creator 
should clarify in the group description whether these are messages 
TO or FROM Carl. (If TO, I think that's a bit hopeful... ;)

pekr: I think it is FROM Carl, as To Carl only you can contact him 
privately ...

none: Actually those would be better name "To Carl" From Carl", Or 
better "Carl Talks" "Carl Listens"


Not that it matters much anyway imo, we simply will stay away from 
that group, to make such a discussion a closed case ...

The goal of having groups at all, and giving them a purpose and some 
loose guidelines for posting, is to make it easier to find the information 
you (we) want.

Ladislav, it's not the "Whish" philosophy, it is the FRUSTRATION 
and DESPERATION philosophy. We are really upset and inpotent about 
the situation.  We feel abandoned. We have devodet part our life 
to this programming language and you more than us. You should understand 
some misbehaving we have falled into. 

However I apologize for my intrusion in "Carl Only" even if without 
us it is an abandoned place.

Happy New Lunar Year!

gongxifacái

haha, gong xi fa cai

xposting here ---

hehe. the greatest &RQ logo with a pointing hand really always greatly 
raises my motivation to develop something :) http://rejetto.com/&RQ/

the motivation is crucial


managers seek hard to rise the motivation. And it's simple: good 
art can do it :)

Steeve: "a braced-string {...} mays contain breaced-strings" - can 
you give an example?

yeah, {{}} is a valid braced-string

>> a: {{}}
== "{}

with the added condition that they must be exactly paired.

yep

ok, that needs a correction

I knew most of rebolers didn't know that rule :-)

It's why I checked that first ;-)