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But they don't use the mailing list or the official documentation 
either. Most of their problems are well known.

So, this is just an advocacy problem. Be nice to them there, and 
they'll be more likely to come here eventually.

not every one is a developper by trade.

and many don't learn by reading references.... rebol is after all 
more inclined to the technically savy and those on the other spectrum.

IMO coming here and asking  newbie questions is the same s asking 
them elsewhere.

But coming here takes some doing. It is best to motivate people to 
do so - being cool usually works.

is it just me or is stack overflow generating a hell of a lot of 
new users for the language?


As I see it, it's mostly the same person asking REBOL questions on 
stackoverflow, the reboltutorial guy. How did you come to the conclusion 
with lots of new users?

I didn't look at all the names... but I did notice a few names I 
had never seen before...  the few times I went to that site...  after 
posting this I saw that most of the replies where from known REBOL 
experts.


I guess its attracting some people, maybe not as much as I initially 
imagined...

Greg Higley has asked a few REBOL questions on Stackoverflow.
http://stackoverflow.com/users/27779/gregory-higley

It looks like just him and Reboltutorial are trialing Stackoverflow 
as a place for REBOL questions.


I am not convinced the competitive points scoring paradigm of Stackoverflow 
currently fits the more "amicable experts"  character of the REBOL-specific 
forums that exist.


I will attempt to answer questions on Stackoverflow as I am also 
critical of the somewhat unoutreaching character of most REBOL-specific 
forums [darknet / gated communities are terms that have been used]. 
But I am not greatly hopeful that Stackoverflow will become the premier 
destination site for REBOL questions....


....Thus leading to the obvious question: what should be that site? 
Maybe it is time to build it!

I think it is not all that good activity of Reboltutorial. He missuses 
SO for marketing purposes, and it got noticed. It is like I would 
ask questions there and send you over there to answer them for me 
...

Win XP user having trouble installing REBOL -- can anyone help?
    http://www.reboltalk.com/forum/index.php/topic,4428.0.html

seems to be another case of the installer not being run.

Thanks for leaping to his aid, Henrik.

[continuing a discussion from Core].....The occasional code golf 
type quiz can be fun, but only if the enough of the expert REBOLers 
have time to drop by and try their hand. Generally, I think they 
are more likely to respond to real problems rather than quizzes, 
but I am happy to be proved wrong.


BC – if you have an idea or two for a good round of Golf, we could 
start with a couple of new [web-public] groups here....It would not 
quite be as nice a website as (say) http://golf.shinh.org/but it 
would help gather the requirements and gauge the interest in a REBOL 
golf website.

Why not use easy puzzles then, then you don't need experts. Codegolf.com 
has a lot of really easy puzzles that everyone can solve, the focus 
lies more on how you solve them, not if you solve them and personally 
I like that approach better than bashing my head against the table 
for hours until I can finally start writing code. I really liked 
the 99 bottles of beer puzzle for example. You don't have to think 
about how you can solve it at all. You could just use a single print 
statement that outputs the lyrics in one go. The thinking comes when 
you try to make the code smaller.

(or longer, or written backwards, or using an online translator in 
real-time, ;-)

I've even seen a karaoke version using tones and bouncing ball DOS 
graphics in the wee days of turbo C  :-D

(if you don't know what Turbo C is ... well  ... then I guess you 
never knew the world without the internet  ;-)

Can't say that I've heard of Turbo C, so far I've only tried 38 languages, 
there are just too many to know them all :)

hehe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages

:-)

As for the code golfing, it might also be a good idea to use popular 
topics as a theme. A puzzle that makes use of an API like Twitter, 
YouTube, Flickr, Facebook etc. REBOL seems to be pretty good in the 
internet/Network department, so why not make use of it? Those websites 
are popular for a reason. This could also end up producing some more 
libraries to easily use REBOL with popular APIs.

Wow that list is long :) Brainfuck.. I tried that once. I don't remember 
it fondly.. XD

In Hackety Hack (an app that teaches Ruby programming to kids) one 
of the first examples was how to use Ruby to mash up YouTube with 
the iTunes Top 10 music titles. You ended up getting a list of music 
videos for those top ten songs. It was just 5 lines or so and was 
pretty cool. I wrote an article a year ago teaching Shoes (a Ruby 
GUI toolkit) that mashed up YouTube with Twitter to show you videos 
of the current buzz on the net. Something like that is pretty easy, 
takes just a few lines, but the results are actually usable and fun.

There is REBOL implementation of Brainfuck, if you wanna reconsider:
http://www.fys.ku.dk/~niclasen/rebol/language/bf.r

rebol tutorial has a twitter api under 10 lines IIRC

XD Is there also an implementation of lolcode? (lolcat like language, 
I can haz a hamburger?)

Yeah I skimmed over a few of the reboltutorial articles. Why are 
the code snippets there all on one line? Makes it really hard to 
read.

re reboltutorial.....it looks like a CSS typo rather than a (bad!) 
design decision.

(The site has just changed hosts, and had a complete makeover....there 
are some tweaks and bug fixesstill needed).

I've send him what I think is the fix, but  it looks like reboltutorial 
is having a short post-move break.

Looks like the code snippet formating at REBOLtutorial is fixed now.

Ah great, much better now :)

So... where's the "marketing discusson".... I want to read the comments 
on it.

There was a lot written in R3 Chat.

Thanks.... that's a good place for it.

Heading back to R3 Chat "world". Have a good weekend all.

Congratualtions to Maxim -- most prolific poster of 2009 in the [web-public] 
groups of this world. And to BrianH as a close runner up:
  http://www.rebol.org/aga-display-stats.r?world=r3wp&year=2009


Over 36,000 posts from just over 100 people.....It's an indication 
of the size of the active REBOL developers' community.

And of just how active we are - that's a lot of posts.

I'm not bad :-)

Who's Maxim ?

Possible nominee for user.r REBOL of the Year for 2010, if he keeps 
things up the way he's been going lately :)

This is bizarre .. he's hardly ever here.

Sunanda, I think you should exclude all the non-rebol groups ...

He's been posting a lot lately, especially in the R3 groups and his 
project groups.

oh well, I was top poster for 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 ... lol

Guess you've been busy this year :)

no stats for 2010

I'm aiming to get out of the top 3 for 2010

Stats start appearing after 500 or so posts.
Good luck, Graham!

Eh? I want out!!  Spend way too much time posting.