World: r3wp

Pekr: I have found capturing user requirements in Use Cases very 
helpful. They aren't really part of UML but are one of the main inputs 
to it. I probably don't build enough systems to have the need to 
get into UML.


Martin Fowler's UML Distilled is probably worth reading as he has 
a practical point of view.

any REBOLers want to invade 43things.com?

not so much "invade" as "check out"

Geomol: i'd suggest using RAMBO and not email feedback for bugs. 
this frees up some time for Carl.

Thanks Gabriele, I'll do that tomorrow, when I get back to the company, 
I'm doing it for.

I would like to contact Carl about a relational database, I've done 
in REBOL, to see, if he can use some of it in any way. Can I contact 
him here in REBOL3 by writing directly to him?

I think you can ...

you can, however he doesn't check here very often at times, so you 
may need some patience :)

oki doki

can we know what kind of db is it? rebol level source, or C module 
linked via library interface, or?

About 50k of REBOL/Core source. Build as a relative level and an 
index level on top of that - top-most a full relational DB. I've 
also started a SQL interface, but I'm not sure, if I wanna finish 
that part. :-)

Multi-user of course.

Geomol - have you looked at RebDB?

Yes, a little bit.

I made mine as a finishing project for an education, I finished last 
year.

how have you got yourself to Rebol?

Being an Amigan for so many years, I checked on Carl's projects over 
the years. I started with REBOL 4-5 years ago.

Pekr, I've seen your nickname many times. How are you related to 
it?

related to what? Rebol? Well, there were those times, in 1996, when 
Carl tried to resurrect amiga at Viscorp ... then he left, I read 
his paper about "dream system" - first scripting, then OS, and I 
believed into it. Well, we are a bit late with the original plan, 
but I still try to believe :-)

:-) Let's see, if I can find that paper on the web... could be interesting 
to read. (Can't remember, if I saw that already somewhere.)

yes, it was state of personal computing or something like that ....

This one? http://www.eskimo.com/~goody/links/back.to.prsnl.cmptng.html

yes, that is that :-)

He was right. And many of those words still stands. Only today the 
complexity is even worse, the need for CPU Power, RAM and HD space 
is even higher.

on UML.


my take on that is it can consume a lot of time and energy.... as 
engineers try to 'perfect' their model.


Personally, I use FLiP process ( http://www.fusebox.org/index.cfm?&fuseaction=methodology.steps
) or Fusebox for short.

It makes it easier for end users to understand.

Pekr,

I think you might find the following interesting

Object Role Modeling (ORM)
http://www.orm.net/index.html
http://www.objectrolemodeling.com/

Responsibility-Driven Design
http://www.wirfs-brock.com/pages/home.html

Responsibility-based Modeling

http://alistair.cockburn.us/crystal/articles/rbm/responsibilitybasedmodeling.html

thanks, will look at those links ...

hmm, I can't get request-file to work from script .... only from 
console ...

Really?  What's your error?

file: request-file/keep/file/filter  %../ "*.txt"

nothing happens ....

ah, wait a bit, forget it probably ...

two scripts of the same name in two dirs, editing wrong one ;-)

Hehe, LOL.  Don't ya love it? ;-)

no :-) I feel dumb :-)

I've done the exact same thing and requested help here too, so I 
feel ya. ;-)

:-) I start debugging in a typical way for me ... started to commented 
out the code ... but then I reached the level, where the code would 
not obviously work, and so I went to file-manager to check things 
out ...

That's precisely what I did. ;-)

I just want to say that I tested out Doc's NTLM library and it worked 
very well today.  I was successful in testing this out on our corporate 
network.  If Altme had something like this we could use ALTME from 
behind the corporate firewall.

http://softinnov.org/rebol/ntlm.shtml

yesterady, I was rather pleasantly surprised. At XidysComp, we use 
http://www.MoneyS3.CZaccounting system, but mainly for our PC sales 
store, invoicing, connection to POS system etc. It has some limitation, 
as e.g. one product, e.g. Seagate 80GB, 7200 can have just one store 
number and one reference number to dealer. Well, but we buy the same 
product from more than one dealer.

So we asked money.cz representative to come and explain few things, 
and we've got Director himself. He agreed that there is some limitation 
and was surprised, when I showed him Rebol, and small parser for 
few dealer pricelist. He said that was exactly his idea someone would 
do something like that and that it could be sold. He liked the way 
we think (the rebol way) and he wants to teach us more about S3 to 
become sales partner for some customers ...

It is really nice when oportunities rise that way and that someone 
can see potential in small, flexible tools .....

... more on that in my upcoming probably two or threee docs coming 
during weekend ...

RFC: http://www.colellachiara.com/soft/Libs/messaging.r(while we 
wait for RS)

and BTW, maye IN-INTERVAL? can be useful to anyone else too? checks 
if a value is inside an interval, assuming a ring. can be easily 
used for rings mod 2^n where n is multiple of 8, just using binaries. 
see http://www.colellachiara.com/soft/Libs/chord.r

maye = maybe

how can we compare to Rugby, Uniserve - in principle?

that is very short, maybe < 2 pages...it that the whole cannoli?

Petr: wrt to Rugby, it is somewhat similar, but message-oriented 
instead of RPC oriented