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Exactyl!  Now you're talking.

2006 in 40 minutes, till later

Graham wins the 
first to say something can't be done" award.".. 

Graham, looks like you've earned the coveted "energy vampire" award 
for today.

Please, no IOS.

My suggestion, promote the mailing list..and use IRC.

Example, the committe in charge can use IRC for regular discussions, 
and anyone who may have interests on any topic can just logon to 
the channel and take part.


Reduce the 'elitism' part. ....make it more accessible for developers. 
Some of them could be on Mac etc.

As far as I can tell, the main constraint on developing Rebol.org 
is the lack of people prepared to get involved and give their time. 
From my knowledge, Sunanda has single-handely maintained and developed 
Rebol.org for the last two years. (All in his spare time as he does 
it on a voluntary basis). (I'm definitely more of a hindrance than 
a help:-)).


Reichart is right, Rebol.org looks drab when compared with something 
like Ruby Garden FAQs. It doesn't appear friendly. Rebol.org lacks 
features though many that it has aren't used much(member home pages, 
forums for individual scripts, articles).


If I remember correctly, Sunanda has asked on a number of occasions 
for suggestions and help with the design/layout of the website. He's 
put in place most of the suggestions received which has resulted 
in some improvement in the look over the last couple of years.


What Rebol.org probably lacks is the clear focus and direction that 
creates a sense of purpose which will encourage people to volunteer. 
The may be a great part to the "paternal" relationship with RT which 
not only "fathered" the library system but continues to finance the 
server.


A successful RebolCentral would probably give Rebol.org a renewed 
focus and probably won't divert any resources away from it.

Yeksoon, I don't think IOS is where topics should be had, but offering 
a public IOS system that does "something" could be cool to show off. 
 Sort of like a model house.  No?


Peter, I actually did not know who ran Rebol.org (see!  My point 
exactly about -centralizing information, :-)   )


I think we could work together though.  As far as I'm concerned, 
anything built for RebolCentral.org will be open and free for trade. 
 Perhaps we can build and lock down templates that get carried to 
the other sites to create unity.


I see no reason to replicate anything as well.  In other words, if 
possible, we build one database of all content (perhaps what is already 
on Rebol.org) and leave it there, simply build a review system that 
points to it.  Most download sites work this way.  They are just 
a clearing house to other sites.

Where can I get the latest SDK download from?

On rebol.net I don't understand these two versions:

5-Dec-2005 	Release 	Win32 031 	View 1.3.2
18-Nov-2005	Alpha		See Above	View 1.3.61

Isn't 1.3.61 more advanced then 1.3.2?

I'm mostly looking for the plug-in DLL.

IOS: I would not use it as a permanent server. Instead: When we did 
the bbs, carl fired up a fresh one. We had chat and file-syncing. 
I would prefer to use it in such short-term ways. Then backing project 
up to web.

rebol.org - afaik its hosted on some shared server. maybe we can 
host it on the dedicated too? Then Sunanda & team can play whit daemons. 
chat, auto-filesyncing etc.

rebol-org, layout. IMHO it looks like slashdot. :)) I see rebol.com 
and rebolcentral as the use-sites and rebol.net, rebol.org as the 
programmer-sites. central and .org could share some things, like 
list of projects. But some thingslike the ML-arhcive is better on 
.org, and a clear "nerds"-look may be a good signal.

sdk: the 1.3.2 . 1.3.62 is 1.3.2 with rebcode.

Or would be if there was a 1.3.62 - right now the latest rebcode 
release is 1.3.61, based on the 1.3.1 codebase. 1.3.2 is actually 
more recent.

Ein frohes und glückliches 2006 für Alle

Happy New Year!
Let it be a good one! :-)

Happy New Year everybody! Already almost two days old!

Worse virus Microsoft (and any of us using Windows) has ever seen!

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/912840.mspx

No virus(es) in OSX ;-)

They may have lot more to do with the fact that hackers don't target 
OSX.

Windows executing anything is a good help.

OpenBSD doesn't have virus(es)

There is Theo. Hackers fear the revenge.. :)

Nice. MS has a patch. But instead of maybe disabling a rarely used 
feature they want the pcs to be infected instead?

Jaime, not that I want to engage you in an argument, but stating 
OpenBSD doesn't have viruses is like saying cute blond girls don't 
get AIDs.  If you want to refer to OpenBSD as being more secure, 
and more importantly more securable if installed correctly, then 
we agree.

I thought "no exploicts" means no viruses can find a way in?

Viruses don't necessarily use exploits :-)

users are biggest exploit

OS has to protect against users too. When hovering or loading loads 
code, bad.

A smart user uses two computers, and that should be done by os instead.

Reihart. I was just teasing ;-) (However I find both OSX and OpenBSD 
more secure)

Good.  And we agree, they are much more secure.  I strongly feel 
that OSes should be OpenSource.

only OSes, or even languages, which are regarded being platfforms? 
:-)

then the next question will be 'should all platforms' be open source?

I have to agree about languages.   I'm the one that pushes Cark "alway" 
to open as much as possible on Rebol.

What options are there to pay the ranch, with an open rebol?

Sorry, that was meant to be Carl...LOL
There is more money in service in my opinion.

What could RT do there?

What does RedHat do?  What do the teams that make Firefox, and OpenOffice 
do?  And Gnu compiler?

This is the model that many companies use when they open source their 
products .. they become very successful servicing companies.

They have people for services. Take other peoples code and integrate 
it. RT builds only the languages. Carl is quite reluctant to take 
others code.

Would need areal company which pays as much as he gets now, keeps 
out of the way (No feature-wishlists). (My guess).

Probably too late to benefit from sourcing Rebol now... should have 
done it 5 years ago.

Maybe the opposite. As Reichart says, some things are easier to sell 
when there is competition. Now we have ajax.

That may give more chances to offer services.

Maybe, maybe not.

:)

I thought that Safeworlds has some influence on RT, as well as Carl 
listens to other folks like Jaime etc. I now wonder if he is alone 
in anti-open-source opinion?

btw - has anyone solved calendaring functions? I am about to proceed 
with our toursist portal and part of it are various Events in the 
region. Of course there is a date when such even happen. But it may 
get more complicated and I don't know how much should I complicate 
it :-) E.g., you may have some event, which is happening each monday 
for two months, you have some event, which is happening the same 
term each year. I am thinking of introducing time-slots, so that 
you can e.g. set 9:00 - 11:00, 13:00 - 15:00 in one day. But dunno 
how to aproach calendar. E.g. in one app I needed to count working 
days - not so easy, especially when each country can have various 
holidays etc.

but maybe I will not offer so much complicated solution, or I would 
have to implement whole calendaring facility, which surely is not 
trivial, or projects like Sunbird (Mozilla calendar) would be done 
in one day :-)

any references to calendaring api?

imo it should be extension of the 'now fuction ... e.g. for one project 
I needed to count week-of-year, so I created small function for it. 
Has anyone find usage/potential for such functionality?