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Livecode is a great tool - the values remind me a low  of what made 
REBOL attractive years ago.  It's just a really productive and well 
designed tool, easy to use, powerful, cross platform (iOS, Android, 
Windows, Mac, Linux, server), it's SIMPLE and geared towards getting 
work accomplished.  That's it's only goal, and the company has always 
tried to make good real-world choices about productivity.  And they're 
keeping the system modern and relevent.  The REBOL community would 
be helped by watching what they do...

low -> lot

Well, we can't follow their business model, but there is a lot of 
other stuff we can learn from them.

As good as REBOL is it could use a good IDE environment.  AmigaVision 
comes to mind.  I would be interested to see whether some large chunks 
of change were invested to put them over the top.  Right now R3 needs 
a message. What makes it special and valuable. What vision does it 
conjure up.

As great as Livecode is, REBOL's language model is still better, 
simpler, more powerful.

It's got more potential

I recently put this up:  http://easiestprogramminglanguage.com

But has it got the momentum?

I think it still can.  Hypercard was dead many years ago.

Android will help.

I'm interested in putting some marketing muscle into promoting it 
- or very likely RED.

The business model incompatibility was the only criticism I had - 
the product looks good, with a lot we could learn from and possibly 
do better. I'm not a marketing guy though, just a social analyst, 
so I can't help on the message.

If I can make some money teaching REBOL lessons, there may be an 
income model for me to pursue.

I've been doing some work to clarify the potential markets.  Just 
doing it part time now, but I think there's real potential.

Kids, Non-Programmers, Entrepreneurs, other education markets - a 
lot of the same covered by Livecode, actually.

I think eduction is a great market for REBOL.  Net Logo actually 
did well in education.  If Education is the goal a great IDE is the 
place to start.  Something like a high quality layout.r or AmigaVision.

I'd support that.

I personally don't think it's necessary.  I want to keep REBOL as 
light as possible.

But tools that make it even easier, without bloat - that could only 
help.

The IDE would be an App that could even be sold.

There you go - a potential income model.

We need more entrepreneurs in this community.

And maybe 10-20 more gurus.

Hypercard worked because it had a very simple IDE approach.  Power 
users became proficient at scripting and teachers shared their cards.

The approach needs to provide tools so easy you can layout an app 
as easily as making a powerpoint presentation, but with the power 
underneath to do absolutely anything.

I'd be willing to bet I could net $100000 next year teaching REBOL, 
no matter what happens with the language and tools.  Just using them 
as they stand.

I already know I can sell the benefits.

In a classroom, imagine if the "powerpoint" allowed students to connect 
their smart phones to the presentation and control aspects of a weather 
simulation, or control a point on a Cartesian coordinate plane.  
The trick is to make this so easy to do that teachers can do it like 
they make power points.

Some teachers will want to do more and they will begin to learn how 
to write scripts.

Styles like a Cartesian plane could be added as someone makes them. 
 This is how hypercard became so popular.  People used hypercard 
who never made a card of thier own.

That's analagous to using a dialect.

With smartboards in most classrooms, the possibilities are really 
astounding.

Yes it is.  Now we're getting a bit technical in a learning sciences 
sense.  One of the things that makes a classroom such a rich learning 
environment is the presence of resources that mediate learning. They 
provide a medium through which learning activities can take place.

I think a little funding would go a long, long way towards bringing 
REBOL back up to speed, and back into a relevant and competitive 
position.

Chalkboards, textbooks, paper and pencil, etc. are all technologies 
that can mediate learning.

Spreadsheets, calculators, and lab equipment have been used effectively.

Powerpoint is one of those things that really doesn't do much mediating 
because it lacks interaction.  All it needs is a REBOL back end to 
connect the students and make it interactive, especially if it can 
also be used in small groups.

Yet everybody uses it.

More of this sort of discussion needs to take place in this community. 
 So much of the past few years here has been dominated by quibling 
about language details, instead of business potential.

The key to all successful mediation seems to be interactivity, the 
ability to "relate" through the medium.

REBOL provides a NATURAL LANGUAGE medium. We just need some tools 
to leverage it.  Microsoft has Office.  Maybe REBOL needs Classroom.

Yes, and a REBOL back end would make the next "tougher" layer easier 
to dig into.

REBOL can be as high level as needed - more so than *any other language.

There would be room for an "Algebra dialect"

The livecode guys are working towards understanding the "natural 
language" idea, but they're a long way from achieving what Carl already 
accomplished with REBOL.

Like Hypercard, the App becomes a "window" into the language.  AltME 
has this potential, Presenter.r had this potential, Layout.r has 
this potential.

VID and other similar dialects had the greatest potential.

The kicker would be quality formative assessment tools that would 
give teachers and students feedback on how they are doing.

But the Apps the make the language accessible were never made.  I 
have had long discussions about this before at RT.

Scot and Nick, Rebol has been my secret weapon. Despite trying to 
get others to look at it.