World: r4wp

I know list of enhancements for R/S 2.0 exists, yet I don't expect 
it having more advanced series handling ...

It's hard to draw the line. If you want to use Red/System on its 
own, you need things like that, so I made some in my bindings. But 
if you use it together with Red, most such things aren't needed

Sometimes the decision is made easier. It would be hard to use Red 
in a kernel driver, for example, so you need everything for Red/System 
that you need to write drivers

The future and more usage patterns will show what is needed ...

Yes, it often turns out to be surprising :-)

I canunderstand, but where exactly would you drive the line? We start 
with series, next we ask for IO, then we request parse :-)

I/O is already here, and my C library binding has parsing functions 
:-)

drive = draw

You'll need them to write Red/System programs, but a lot of it has 
no place in Red. Perhaps that will make it easier to understand why 
most of my stuff is separate from Red

I hop Doc is not going to be demotivated after ReCode. Fork said, 
that Carl said, that if he would be about to rewrite Rebol, he would 
took R3 aproach ..

I expressed my need for R2 like dll interface for R3, as I find it 
easier to use R/S than R3 extensions, and guys said, it will come 
...

Don't expect that to throw Doc off balance :-)

I am still with Red though, even if Carl stated, he will resume some 
R3 developments. I will follow both projects, hopefully good times 
ahead ...

you know, for our Led screen, I wrapped the dll using r2, red/system 
and world. In fact, it was rather easy to switch. If there is at 
least some level of compatibility, I like the options ...

Red follows the REBOL model, with batteries included, where you need 
a strict standard. Red/System follows the C model, with a small languages 
that needs to be exttended with libraries, and where many C libraries 
are available that can be bound to Red/System

I thonk I would do it even with r3 extensions, but I am just old 
lazy dog :-)

ah, sorry for typos, typing on my htc using teamviewer connected 
to my notebook. So who said alme is not available on your cell phone? 
:-)

You could turn your Red/System binding into an R3 extension

Ah, correct, forgot about that, thsnks for the reminder ...

Fork said, that Carl said, that if he would be about to rewrite Rebol, 
he would took R3 aproach ..

 Fortunately I was there so I can give some contextual information: 
 Fork was saying to Carl his famous quote: "Rebol4 is Red". What do 
 you expect Carl to reply to that? ;-)

I hop Doc is not going to be (de)motivated after ReCode.
 No, it's the opposite in fact. ;-)

Red/System is a dialect of Red meant to address specific needs. You 
should see it as a feature of Red, even if it can be used alone (which 
is kind of side-effect of starting Red project by building R/S first).

Doc and/or Kaj, at what point will we be able to use Red and R/S 
to start things off by programming the MBR and jumping to a Red OS. 
What I am interested in is learning to use Red and R/S to build a 
native O/S from the ground up as this is the best way to truly understand 
computers. Also a PC that is Red and R/S from the ground up is a 
very exciting prospect.

Pekr: "alpha" means "feature-incomplete". See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle#Alpha


The alpha phase usually ends with a feature freeze, indicating that 
no more features will be added to the software. At this time, the 
software is said to be feature complete.

Why does Carl think you are going to be (de)motivated?

Kensingleton: for writing your own OS, you will need to write a custom 
file emitter for Red/System unless ELF could also be used for that?

Bas: it's just second-hand interpretation of Carl saying that if 
he would be about to rewrite Rebol, he would took R3 approach again.

OK.

Ken, several people seem to want to do that, so it is likely to happen

With EFI you should be able to boot PE executables.

Finally back home, need to upgrade my PC with more RAM and better 
wifi adapter tomorrow, then I'll get back to coding...(I really miss 
coding these last days)

You need more RAM for Red?

Doc: you should consider a 128 GB SSD or at least a hybrid HDD+SSD 
drive from Seagate. That's why that Mac Air was running so fast, 
which you have avoided taking... I just realized 5 minutes after 
you left w Brian that you didn't take it w you... :/

Kaj: He must be upgrading from 4MB to 8MB. ;-)

Just in time for some Red-based immersive 3D games?

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1944625487/omni-move-naturally-in-your-favorite-game

I'm upgrading from 3GB to 12GB, I kept having "out of memory" error 
after opening a few dozens web pages and starting some heavy tools 
like Eclipse, Android Emulator or various VM...now I should be able 
to run everything at the same time. ;-)

I'm using only SSD disks since 5-6 years, and HDD only for backups. 
My configuration has one 32GB SSD for OS and one 64GB for VMs. Now 
that SSD prices have dropped significantly, I bought two cheap 128GB 
SSD, so I won't have to fight anymore with disk space for a while.

@onetom: your offer was more than generous, but I couldn't take it, 
you need it too. I'm exchanging it with a few days at your place 
in Hong-Kong in a couple of month if that's fine with you. ;-)

FYI, I should be travelling to China later this year, so I'll try 
to visit PeterWAWood and onetom on the road.

I'll try to have the Android framework ready before going, so I'll 
be able to make some presentations and demos to local Android groups 
wherever I go.

@Doc, What is the next on Red development? New progress plans are 
made on Recode?  In your experience what was the best of Recode?

Playing around with some of the bindings but having difficulty getting 
all the stuff needed to compile. Trying to compile Kaj's webkit gtk 
binding example...any docs around on how do do this stuff?

Its looking for GLib.reds but I do not see that file in the bindings 
links

Alan, here's the link for getting the latest GLib binding from Kaj:

http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-GLib/zip/Red+GLib+Binding-a351576b5f3af0d9.zip?uuid=a351576b5f3af0d9d156dec0dcfadb0a662f5030

You can have a look at the files online here: 
http://red.esperconsultancy.nl/Red-GLib/dir?ci=tip

thanks

Once we'll be able to encap Red, Kaj should be able to provide unique 
binaries with all bindings included. It will be much easier for testing/evaluating 
purposes.

Very Exciting

Now needs "common/FPU-configuration.reds"

Ah! I remember this one, let me check where it comes from...

Don't look too hard...just playing around here...