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[#Red] Red language group

Pekr
9-Jul-2013
[9391x2]
As for news channels - if there is anything new, and my time and 
skills permit, I do post. It is a pity, it is not reposted to your 
blog, it looks really dated with latest 0.3.2 Repl release :-( I 
find it a bad strategy, the project seems a bit stalled, at least 
Git get propagated there ....
as for Red ML, AFAIK, I am not there ... Any activity there?
DocKimbel
9-Jul-2013
[9393]
Paul: no much usable info there it seems. What I really need is a 
PDB file specification.
Pekr
9-Jul-2013
[9394]
Doc - I noticed Carl mentioned he is getting BBB for his HW purposes. 
When you will try to hook him into Red, just mention, that we are 
already there too :-)
DocKimbel
9-Jul-2013
[9395x2]
There are Twitter and Github for day to day news.
Pekr: will do. ;-)
Pekr
9-Jul-2013
[9397]
FB has component to display news, twitter too. As for FB, I would 
not put it into your website, but maybe twitter could be corrected
DocKimbel
9-Jul-2013
[9398]
If you think about the Twitter plugins on Blogger, they seem all 
dead. Anyway, I would be glad to get rid of Blogger and switch to 
something else, Blogger is horribly bad and outdated.
Pekr
9-Jul-2013
[9399x2]
Well, it works, no? Not sure what other blogging sites/domains are 
available. Twitter kind of removed possibility to freely display 
content via JS code. You can do it, but inside your twitter profile, 
in Settings/Widgets, you can create new display widget. But customisation/design 
options are limited - basically dark/bright theme, number of tweets, 
some other formatting, and that's it. It spits out a little code 
you add to your site, and done ... maybe worth the effort, dunno 
- not sure about minimal width though - more info here https://dev.twitter.com/docs/embedded-timelines
the question is, if you want to loose your time with such stuff .....
DocKimbel
9-Jul-2013
[9401x3]
I tried it once IIRC, and couldn't use it for Red site as it was 
requiring too much horizontal space.
I certainly don't want to loose my time with that, but I need anyway 
to search for an alternative in order to be ready to switch when 
the right time comes.
Pekr: if you don't have a Twitter account, it would be a good idea 
to make one and post news about the Rebol and Red world from there. 
We need a stronger presence on Twitter.
Pekr
9-Jul-2013
[9404x5]
I have 3 twitter account :-)
I just did not know, that I could post to anyone's other account 
...
Tried to write a tweet on Red Lang, it disappeared, maybe waiting 
for your approval? You can eventually remove it, not good at referring 
to other sites, etc.
ah, it was posted to my twee channel ... sucks ...
OK, so tweeted with the reference to #BeagleBoneBlack and #Red_lang 
... feel free to retweet ...
DocKimbel
9-Jul-2013
[9409]
You should rather use @red_lang, so it will appear directly. With 
a simple hashtag, I won't notice it unless  I search for it.
Pekr
9-Jul-2013
[9410x3]
ok, will tweet again ...
well, should I let there even @BeagleBoneBlack? Will not the other 
community mind?
OK, you already retweeted, so I will let it be like it is for now 
...
Kaj
9-Jul-2013
[9413]
I suppose they will like having another programming language
DocKimbel
9-Jul-2013
[9414x5]
BTW, Red is not present on Wikipedia list of programming languages.
BTW, Red is not present on Wikipedia list of programming languages.
Sorry for the double post, I'm on 3G in a bus. ;-)
I'm travelling to the capital to get my plane tomorrow morning for 
Montreal (wih a short stop in Paris).
Also the Red wikipedia page could be updated. It could be more informative. 
Anyone to improve it?
Pekr
9-Jul-2013
[9419x2]
Red was there! I added it, and even later, someone reported, that 
it can be found there.
Red - well, what list are you talking about? I checked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programming_languages
and it is present there ....
Kaj
9-Jul-2013
[9421]
Perhaps the Montenegran version :-)
Maxim
9-Jul-2013
[9422]
its not there in the French version.
AdrianS
9-Jul-2013
[9423x2]
Nenad, is this any use or is it outdated?
http://www.godevtool.com/Other/pdb.htm
also this - both articles reference the book "Undocumented Windows 
2000 Secrets: A Programmer's Cookbook":
http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=22685
DocKimbel
9-Jul-2013
[9425x3]
Pekr: indeed, I wonder how did I miss it...
Kaj: good idea, I'll make a montenegrin version of that page, with 
*only* Red! ;-)
AdrianS: thanks, it's reverse-engineered, so, maybe not fully accurate 
and complete, but it  looks like a good start.
Pekr
9-Jul-2013
[9428]
Doc - not sure about debugging driver priority, but bear in mind, 
that ppl are waiting for networking and other IO ... e.g. Maarten 
was asking today, when it comes. I think that we need more feature 
complete Red ASAP ...
DocKimbel
9-Jul-2013
[9429]
debugging driver priority

 Not sure if you're mixing things here or not. First PDB has nothing 
 to do with drivers, it's a general-debugging help for Red and Red/System. 
 Second, I never said that drivers or PDB support was prioritary. 
 If I worked on adding driver support for Windows, it was just to 
 help Kaj and Bo use Red in their project, nothing else. The priorities 
 are clear, but I won't be able to resume on them until I get back 
 from Montréal.
PeterWood
9-Jul-2013
[9430]
I'll add the /deep to %build-arm-tests.r Pekr (Runnable dir is required 
and built by quick-test.r)

I'll also suspend the function tests from the Arm build.
Pekr
9-Jul-2013
[9431]
Yes, I mixed it incorrectly. Priorities are surely your call, I am 
just reporting what I can anticipate from ppl asking question here 
or there, and the message is - more complete Red. So - looking forward 
to resumed Red development ...
DocKimbel
9-Jul-2013
[9432x2]
I've just lost a long post I was typing here because my finger ripped 
on the small laptop keyboard from a CTRL-S to CTRL-Q...who the hell 
got the bright idea to put the app killing (no confirm prompt) key 
close to the post sending key?...Will have a few words with Carl 
about ergonomy in AltME. ;-)
Peter: no need to disable function tests, I've already commented 
the few tests related to #420 that were causing the crashings.
Paul
9-Jul-2013
[9434]
Sorry Doc on the pdb thing.  I don't think your going to find a pdb 
file format.  Closest I seen was this that someone may have been 
trying to reverse engineer https://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=22685.
DocKimbel
9-Jul-2013
[9435]
Paul: thanks, AdrianS posted a similar link above. Yes, it seems 
that it's not documented.
Kaj
9-Jul-2013
[9436x2]
Well, MS not wanting people to debug their software explains a lot
With Red, you'll be able to debug your programs on the other platforms, 
before running them on Windows
Kaj
10-Jul-2013
[9438x2]
I see the WinDLL and DarwinSO targets in config.r are now uncommented, 
but LinSO is stil commented out. How do they relate to the -dlib 
compiler parameter now?
Wouldn't it be possible to add MSDOS-ARM and Darwin-ARM targets right 
now, to start testing on Windows Phone and iOS?
Luis
10-Jul-2013
[9440]
The red APK builder script build.r attempt to download some files 
i.e. http://static.red-lang.org/droid-tools/jli.dll.But only gets 
404 Page not found...