World: r4wp

Pekr: I am finishing the generation of the intermediary representation 
for the output of Red compiler. I had to change it several times 
as it is uneasy to design properly without all the other pieces ready 
(another chicken and egg problem).


For example, to properly store literals (especially series literals), 
I need some kind of Redbin format, but designing it and implementing 
it now seems like a bit premature (as most types are not defined 
yet). So, I went for a dynamic construction model at run-time for 
now. I'll move literals to Redbin when it will be available.


For Redbin, I want it to be powerful enough to be able to serialize 
the whole state of a running Red program, but I don't know yet to 
what extent it is doable when running native code directly (needs 
some significant research work).


Also, I need to make a few changes to Red/System compiler to better 
integrate witht Red's one, I should finish those changes and release 
them this weekend.

Endo: thanks for your support!

You are welcome!

Hmm, serialisation and persistence, sweet :-)

I am moving all my web site and web apps to a new server. Unfortunately, 
I have to change all the DNS entries too, so interruptions might 
occur during the next 24-48h on the following sites:

- cheyenne-server.org
- curecode.org
- static.red-lang.org
- softinnov.org

Doc, any intermediate update for us here, before your next tweet? 
:-)

My fear, he's not yet up again ;)

I hope there aren't any brick walls ahead of him ...

I think he has super ability to walk through them ;-)

I believe in Dockimbel.

Anyone tried to contac him ?

I've been busy with offline tasks these last days, so haven't coded 
much. I'm resuming coding since yesterday, I hope to be able to release 
a new version and push commits before the end of the week.

No brick walls so far, just a lot of detailed design work. :-)

Okay

Good to hear.

Any updates on when the first alpha red will be available?

Not yet, I need to reschedule it as I am only working part time on 
it this week.

I hope this allows good ideas to surface.

Doc, in an Ann-reply channel, you mentioned, that first alpha of 
Red might be out this month. Could you elaborate a bit, what extent 
will it cover?

Nothing more than what was already planned, just delayed.

Go Doc Go!

How can I 'wait in linux red? Should I wrap something as sleep() 
function?

I think you need to add OS sleep() function.

http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/glibc/libc_445.html

Sent another donation, to make life in a programmer's cave a bit 
easier :-)

Thank you Peter! :-)

You're welcomed. Any news how the implementation goes? Is it as expected, 
or any new design complications arose? :-) I miss you blogging from 
time to time. Well, most probably no details to blog about, so looking 
forward to see first Red alpha in upcoming weeks :-)

Doc, have you considered using kickstarter for funding?

I thought about that recently too!

VIA Technologies competition to Raspberry Pi - http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/via-technologies-outs-49-apc-android-barebones/

eh, wrong group, although :-)

Maarten: yes, but they are two show-stoppers for that, firstly you 
need to be based in USA, secondly you need to get a big enough user 
base.

Pekr: I will write a blog entry that will give more details once 
I publish the new commits.

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.red-lang.org/ says 
red site is down

Temporary outage

It's works ok now. I don't know if the temporary outages are caused 
by the Blogger platform or domain servers...probably the Blogger 
domain redirection.

Any updates on a date for Red ( not system ) ?

alpha ..

@DocLimbel Is there a way to speed updates? Could you ask for some 
specific functions or some other piece of code to be developed ?

Marco - I think that what we are waiting for is a significant part 
of work being done to see first draft or RED alpha, including compiler. 
Those things might take some time. I believe that once published, 
we will see more regular updates again. Just my opinion of course 
...

Yes, but still we want to help where we can. Taking over simple tasks 
to free DocKimble for more complex work that is of yet above our 
abilities. So Doc, try and delegate some simple tasks to this community.

It is easier to start with these kinds of tasks than to fork Red 
on Github and then wondering about and think of somthing useful to 
contribute.

It's usually much easier for a primary author if contributors take 
on tasks that are isolated from the central core. There is huge opportunity 
for such contributions in a platform type work. Why don't you pick 
some library or library binding to write that interests you?

I don't know what you mean by that. A library or library-binding 
that is interesting to me? Okay let's say I find it important to 
use Red as I do with REBOL on my Apache driven website (no option 
to choose the server with my webhostingservice) to process rebol 
scripts and rsp scripts. I think there is a world of Red users to 
be won if Red could do this, at least we would be able to run Red/Redsp 
scripts on the apacheservers potential customers will have their 
websites hosted on, if you still can follow, they may not be too 
enthousiast changing websitehosting services only because we have 
some fun Rebol/Red scripting to offer. So where would I start?

Red is compiled, it is not a convenient solution imo to work with 
CGI imo ...

Arnold - I think, that right now, we have to wait. There's only a 
Red/System low level (VM) language RED will compile to. You can do 
some library binding using Red/System. What you most probably will 
want to program in, though, is Red itself. Doc is working on it ...

I guess so. I see it like a compiled Red compiler deciding if the 
called script has already been compiled, if so the script is executed, 
but if no match is found b'tween the compiled script and source it 
will be (re)compiled and then executed.

That i also why some of us are trying to get some modest programming 
work to contribute directly in the right place.

Red will have scripting support I think, so it can be used as CGI.

It will! Even if we have to bribe Doc into it ;-)