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Magnusso - Cyphre said, that he has new framework in mind, kind of 
View like, just a bit abstracted, so that it could use different 
backend systems (Cairo, AGG, Skia, Fog ....). But - not sure his 
target is Red. But maybe we convince him to port it for some fee 
:-)

REBOL/View also depends on an external graphics library, namely AGG. 
The difference is currently in the level of integration. Once the 
Red/System compiler linker becomes more capable, for example when 
it can produce libraries or object files, it may be possible to integrate 
graphics libraries as tightly with Red as AGG is integrated with 
REBOL

Kaj, this may be a dumb question, but as it stands now, can one create 
an android app with Red?

james - there is no Red yet, just Red/System. And yes, you can kind-of 
create Android apps. But - those are bare-bones linux ARM apps, which 
can run on an Android phone. I tried that on my HTC Sensation. Right 
now, there is no app-store support, nor the ability to link to Android 
API, which would require the JAVA bridge. You can find some info 
here - http://www.red-lang.org/2011/12/arm-support-released.html

Pekr, perfect. That clears it up for me. Thanks.

Doc - another donation sent :-)

Kaj, hate to nitpick, but REBOL/View's AGG library is statically 
linked, so it's not really "external". Static linking for Red would 
be nice.

GUI, nice would be a clean cross plattform ANSI C lib, handling the 
basic window & eventmanagement

and providing access via a simplified meta-api (VID-DSL). this way 
nearly all script languages could 
use this lib as a native GUI generator.

the lib could be extended step by step with additional backends. 
a good start would be cairo since it's plain ANSI C too.

Brian, that's what I said

Pekr: received, thank you very much!

That's just some minor help to keep you in a positive mood while 
you are fighting new Red barriers :-)

btw - how's the work going?

I would also not post here, I just try to motivate others to do the 
same from time to time :-)

And it worked Pekr :) I did as well. I tried last month too but I 
coudn't because my bank required more info. So I did via paypal this 
time.

yeah, Paypla is the easy option :-)

Thanks to all for supporting Red this or that way, hopefully we will 
prevail :-)

Pekr: I am finishing the generation of the intermediary representation 
for the output of Red compiler. I had to change it several times 
as it is uneasy to design properly without all the other pieces ready 
(another chicken and egg problem).


For example, to properly store literals (especially series literals), 
I need some kind of Redbin format, but designing it and implementing 
it now seems like a bit premature (as most types are not defined 
yet). So, I went for a dynamic construction model at run-time for 
now. I'll move literals to Redbin when it will be available.


For Redbin, I want it to be powerful enough to be able to serialize 
the whole state of a running Red program, but I don't know yet to 
what extent it is doable when running native code directly (needs 
some significant research work).


Also, I need to make a few changes to Red/System compiler to better 
integrate witht Red's one, I should finish those changes and release 
them this weekend.

Endo: thanks for your support!

You are welcome!

Hmm, serialisation and persistence, sweet :-)

I am moving all my web site and web apps to a new server. Unfortunately, 
I have to change all the DNS entries too, so interruptions might 
occur during the next 24-48h on the following sites:

- cheyenne-server.org
- curecode.org
- static.red-lang.org
- softinnov.org

Doc, any intermediate update for us here, before your next tweet? 
:-)

My fear, he's not yet up again ;)

I hope there aren't any brick walls ahead of him ...

I think he has super ability to walk through them ;-)

I believe in Dockimbel.

Anyone tried to contac him ?

I've been busy with offline tasks these last days, so haven't coded 
much. I'm resuming coding since yesterday, I hope to be able to release 
a new version and push commits before the end of the week.

No brick walls so far, just a lot of detailed design work. :-)

Okay

Good to hear.

Any updates on when the first alpha red will be available?

Not yet, I need to reschedule it as I am only working part time on 
it this week.

I hope this allows good ideas to surface.

Doc, in an Ann-reply channel, you mentioned, that first alpha of 
Red might be out this month. Could you elaborate a bit, what extent 
will it cover?

Nothing more than what was already planned, just delayed.

Go Doc Go!

How can I 'wait in linux red? Should I wrap something as sleep() 
function?

I think you need to add OS sleep() function.

http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/glibc/libc_445.html

Sent another donation, to make life in a programmer's cave a bit 
easier :-)

Thank you Peter! :-)

You're welcomed. Any news how the implementation goes? Is it as expected, 
or any new design complications arose? :-) I miss you blogging from 
time to time. Well, most probably no details to blog about, so looking 
forward to see first Red alpha in upcoming weeks :-)

Doc, have you considered using kickstarter for funding?

I thought about that recently too!

VIA Technologies competition to Raspberry Pi - http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/22/via-technologies-outs-49-apc-android-barebones/

eh, wrong group, although :-)

Maarten: yes, but they are two show-stoppers for that, firstly you 
need to be based in USA, secondly you need to get a big enough user 
base.

Pekr: I will write a blog entry that will give more details once 
I publish the new commits.