World: r4wp

is that plain C, or C++? Btw - how does Cyphre wrap AGG, if AGG is 
said to be strict C++? Does he have to write any wrapper in C first? 
(He said he has AGG in a form of DLL for R2)

C. Rasterman dislikes C++

good guy then :-)

Yep. :-) The REBOL AGG engine is implemented in C++. You basically 
have to write the draw dialect interpreter in C++ to be able to use 
AGG or any of the other C++ engines

btw - I wonder if there would be some niche for the BlackBerry. They 
will switch to QNX, which is nice C. That would be like Amiga going 
back to QNX :-)

Enlightenment is like Amiga coming to Linux, and also other platforms 
these days

I don't think I've used Enlightenment in a decade. It was superfast 
at the time, but the UI was not so good. I'm not sure the UI itself 
is important for Enlightenment, but more the underpinnings?

I agree. The appearance is too geeky, but by the graphics geek kind. 
I want to build a more user friendly interface on it

15% ... getting there :)

I got the first Enlightenment example to run; so far just one of 
the included C examples from the Evas canvas library, on X11 on Syllable 
Server

screenshot?

Sorry, can't make them yet. I have no screenshot tool on Syllable 
Server, so I make them on Syllable Desktop, but I don't have Evas 
running there yet

Imagine a rectangular line with some colored squares in them :-)

got it

and no digital camera :)

Isn't "Syllable Server" just running plain X?

If I had, I would still have no time

Yes, as I said, I have it running on X. As far as I can see: it could 
also be using the SDL backend, which I'm trying to get to work

No xwd on Syllable Server then? No imagemagick either?

(`xwd -out shot.xwd -root -display :0.0` should get you a screenshot. 
Or `import -window root shot.png`, if you have imagemagick.)

I have ImageMagick installed from the GoboLinux layer

xwd is also there in X11

I made a shot.xwd, but how do I read that format?

import can't find libltdl.so.7

imagemagick can convert xwd's :)

gimp can read them

netpbm can convert them as well

`convert shot.xwd shot.png` (imagemagic)
`xwdtopnm < shot.xwd | pnmtopng > shot.png` (netpbm)

Installed a newer LibTool. import works now. Thanks

You're welcome :)

I suppose it can also target a single window?

You can pass a window ID or title to -window.

The title text as shown?

A bit annoying, but it basically works. Especially if you have simple 
window titles :)

Yes.

Cool, thanks

I don't think the Evas examples are very special, but I'll make a 
shot

http://web.syllable.org/images/screenshots/Workstation/0.4/Evas-examples-on-SyllableWorkstation.png

looks good ...it says workstation not server though?

Yes, Server is non-graphical. At least, it only has DirectFB and 
SDL built in, and no desktop. Workstation is Server plus X11 from 
a GoboLinux layer and the ROX desktop from ZeroInstall

I finally succeeded in compiling the Enlightenment widget set and 
desktop

Sounds like a major milestone.  Bring the next conference forward 
to show it off!

:-) It's only the first steps yet, that are guaranteed to work because 
it's on Linux. The major question is whether I can port it to Syllable 
Desktop

Here's the widget set:

http://web.syllable.org/images/screenshots/Workstation/0.4/Elementary-test-1-on-SyllableWorkstation.png

http://web.syllable.org/images/screenshots/Workstation/0.4/Elementary-test-2-on-SyllableWorkstation.png

I could live with that :)

Kaj, you're on fire!

Can you give us a tiny taste of the RED code?

Kaj is reporting a success of compiling this software.  He hasn't 
done the binding to Red/system yet?