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Nenad is still here after the conference. We debugged SDL audio on 
Syllable. It works now, without libc-init workaround, and it wasn't 
the fault of the new libc-init code in Red

Good to hear :)

Yes, all the bindings that can work on Syllable do now without modifications. 
Except Syllable needs to have SDL video initialised even if you don't 
use it

Kaj - you can port R3 View, while you are at it :-)

The plan is slightly different :-)

and the plan is? :-)

I'm a bit hesitant to tell, because I'm not sure about the viability 
yet

You may have noticed an item "New Project Announcement" on the conference 
schedule

I spent most of last week porting Enlightenment to my Syllable systems

I've managed to get most of it built, but I don't have much running 
yet. It's certain that I can eventually get it to work on my Linux, 
but I'm not sure yet it will succeed on Syllable Desktop

If I'm successful, I will write Red bindings to it

Enlightenment has become fairly portable these days, so it would 
effectively be a View replacement

What? Why not to pack whole 150GB Linux to 400 KB Red executable?

Are you requesting that? :-)

AGG/Cairo/Skia is the only solution acceptable for me, unless proven 
otherwise.

Sorry, but this project is about what's acceptable to me :-)

Ah, well then. Even GTK+ kind of sucks big time ...

Even? GTK is much more monstrous than Enlightenment

OK, how many Enlightement bindings you can see out there being used 
with various languages for regular app development?

Why is that important?

Because if you are aiming for more complete solution, why not to 
bind to Qt for e.g. ? Seems to be used by many ...

Sure, but if you want stuff used by many, you shouldn't be using 
REBOL, and certainly not Red

that's a nonsense argument

how big is actually enlightenment (the parts you need to use, to 
get a GUI and app done using it)?

Certainly no more a nonsense argument than that Enlightenment would 
be unacceptable compared to AGG, Cairo and Skia

Size depends on what modules you want to include, but I estimate 
it would usually amount to a few MB

I ported a second demo to my OpenGL binding, using textures

as for the Enlightenment - is it mostly about windowing, compositing, 
or does it include even some widgets, so that you can make some apps 
using it?

Few MBs is not that much, I thought that it will be 100MB+

Where one can download the OpenGL binding? Don't you want to put 
the bindings into the Red's github?

.

well played Gregg, I don't have the problem anymore

My bindings are in Fossil repositories. I haven't published my OpenGL 
binding yet

Enlightenment is very modular. The top two libraries are a widget 
set and a desktop environment and window manager, that you can choose 
to include or not

The widget set is my primary target, but I haven't got it to work 
yet

One could also just use the drawing library, which then seems to 
be about double the size of Cairo for example, but is much more intelligent

is that plain C, or C++? Btw - how does Cyphre wrap AGG, if AGG is 
said to be strict C++? Does he have to write any wrapper in C first? 
(He said he has AGG in a form of DLL for R2)

C. Rasterman dislikes C++

good guy then :-)

Yep. :-) The REBOL AGG engine is implemented in C++. You basically 
have to write the draw dialect interpreter in C++ to be able to use 
AGG or any of the other C++ engines

btw - I wonder if there would be some niche for the BlackBerry. They 
will switch to QNX, which is nice C. That would be like Amiga going 
back to QNX :-)

Enlightenment is like Amiga coming to Linux, and also other platforms 
these days

I don't think I've used Enlightenment in a decade. It was superfast 
at the time, but the UI was not so good. I'm not sure the UI itself 
is important for Enlightenment, but more the underpinnings?

I agree. The appearance is too geeky, but by the graphics geek kind. 
I want to build a more user friendly interface on it

15% ... getting there :)

I got the first Enlightenment example to run; so far just one of 
the included C examples from the Evas canvas library, on X11 on Syllable 
Server

screenshot?

Sorry, can't make them yet. I have no screenshot tool on Syllable 
Server, so I make them on Syllable Desktop, but I don't have Evas 
running there yet

Imagine a rectangular line with some colored squares in them :-)

got it