World: r4wp

We are not mistaking this post from last year: http://rebolweek.blogspot.nl/2011/07/news-from-robert-muench-about-r3.html
to be from this year?!? Then juli 23rd is soon.

No, this was an old effort for Saphirion to get access to the source 
code privately. It didn't work.

R3 was never opened for RMA.

Those are great sales figures, Jerry. and very well deserved.

Thanks, Peter. Maybe next REBOL dev-con will be held in Beijing, 
if I can sell more copies of my REBOL book.

NickA, it comes from Carl himself. Saphirion has received as separate 
and similar notice a few days ago.

What does it mean - open source, but with restrictions?

This is a really big deal for me.  Hopefully for others.

waiting and watching carefully ...

REBOL2 and/or R3?

It would only be R3. Spending time on opening R2 would probably cost 
Carl too much money on legal expenses.

Congratulations Jerry!
REBOL? open source? wow!

It's too early to get hopes up. The restrictions may be quite severe 
(NDA and such).

I expect it to have a clause, that you can't use e.g. Core.dll with 
own hostkit, etc., or any other product ...

we'll see, but at least if it allows R3 to progress, even if we need 
to purchase a separate license for locking down your own apps (like 
it was with the SDK, and may dual-licensed GPL tools out there) I 
don't think its a big issue.  at least we don't have to wait.

at least the platform can outlive a single person.   it can also 
be extended and experimented on in unexpected ways.

It's highly unlikely to fit the definition of open source, so I would 
advise anyone not to use that term

I agree with Kaj. Non disclosure agreements are not Open Source.

Only makes me want Red more

you can't have an NDA when the source is public.   this is not supposed 
to be a private release.

Yeah, public release .. .like Sun's Java :)

So, we've gone past speculating about the "conditions precedent to 
the release" and started making up worst case scenarios?

Understandable, I guess. I'm reserving judgement until I see a real 
license and some source. Cautiously optimistic :)

We're currently living in the worst case scenario

I see no difference between Java and Rebol. Both free to use on every 
machine the company builds a VM capable of processing scripts/prgrams.

For me, the important is to see the code, correct bugs and propose 
corrections and ideas.

And most important of all, knowing all rebol commands and refinements. 
Rebol miss a lot a very good documentation!

MaxV: Regarding "all commands and refinements" have a look at the 
REBOL dictionary (for R2):
http://www.rebol.com/docs/dictionary.html

The Word Browser from the Viewtop, and HELP are good too.

Similarly for R3 (although that is less comprehensive):
http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/functions.html

For both, R2 and R3, you can use HELP on a console to get a listing 
of all global values of a certain type. So to see all functions, 
try
>> HELP function!

And if you want to type less, `? function!` is enough.

And `ANY-FUNCTION!` should be a typeset of all function-like types. 
Esp. native!, action! and op! are usefull for discovering "all available 
commands".

It's not so simple.

There a a lot of function undocumented. For example about VID a lot 
of documentation is missing, but VID is one the most important feature 
of Rebol. Similar for parse... and so on. Do you know that you can 
use "of" for radio buttons?

Yeah, dialect docs are sparse, and you can't rely on HELP.

that's why I suggested to extend help by /any /dialect, whatever, 
to reflect dialect help ...

Others can chime in about the VID, but there are some pretty good 
tutorials about the parse dialect. Plus, you might look into the 
parse enhancement project page, which ended up with a lot of discussion 
of the semantic model, and in many cases the behavior of existing 
operations.

Where are all these tutorial? The problem is reaching tutorial pages. 
It''s all spread around the world, without an index.

Look at this pages http://www.maxvessi.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.GuidaARebol
   http://rebol2.blogspot.comhttp://http://www.maxvessi.net/rebsite/wr/ 
        I try to unify all documentation, but it's missing a central 
index.

Someone else will have to provide the tutorial links. The parse project 
is here: http://www.rebol.net/wiki/Parse_Projec

Sorry, http://www.rebol.net/wiki/Parse_Project

MaxV, this document is for the VID Extension Kit, but it covers parts 
of how VID works as well:


http://hmkdesign.dk/project.rsp?id=vid-ext-kit&page=docs&section=developer&name=vid-extension-kit-internals.txt

Sarcastic mode one: REBOL3 Open Source ? It will take 1 year for 
carl to complete the licence.

Sarcastic mode off: hope the project will see the light of the day 
by the end of summer.

Max, yes, docs for VID (beyond the basics) have always been lacking. 
It took me a long time to find OF for grouping as well. Part of the 
issue is the design of VID itself, where you need to know internals, 
and there isn't a documented public interface for styles.

MaxV: radiobuttons are best used with true and false in stead of 
on and of like in some documentation mentioned. The true and false 
I just tried out of frustration and I discovered it worked. Undocumented. 
Same with the block after a text or label to make the label clickable 
like a button. 
VID has an effect and a draw that could be better documented.

When bound, ON and OFF are the same as TRUE and FALSE

At the surface it looked like it. But I needed the true and false 
variant. Other was simply not working in my mirror game.

Sometimes I could check more than 1 radiobox, although I grouped 
them, and I had to initialize the values to true and false myself 
to use these in my statements. Using true and false solved it.

It may be a binding problem, then