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http://web.syllable.org/news/2012-11-18-20-47-Red-high-level-programming-language-first-alpha.html

If you want to run the compilers, just follow the official documentation:

https://github.com/dockimbel/Red

Thanks for the info.

Robert, thanks for posting the new droid version.

cool.

Kaj, could you post the code in scripts, or in the #Red group, instead 
of in the Announce group itself?

Nice code though :)

I'll revert to doing that in the future, but it seemed a major milestone 
and people seem to like it, so I made an exception

The links to the scripts are already there

Maybe we need a separate Red Announce channel ...?

Make it easier to find the Red vs Rebol announcements

Agreed.

And a special Ann-Reply-Red too.

We orginally assigned "!" to apps written in REBOL.

Perhaps we should consider dedicating a symbol to RED?  May not be 
worth the overhead, depends how strongly people will over to RED 
I guess.

It already has #

! would be wrong, because in time, Red will not be written in REBOL 
anymore

Ah, you mean an extra symbol for Red apps?

There aren't currently any that would need a dedicated group

I think Reichart meant a special symbol for Red-related groups, if 
we add more of them.

Great news on 0MQ Kaj!

Thanks

Cool work Kaj!

More great progress Kaj. I hope I can make time to play soooooon.

Thanks for you hard Kaj.

sorry to say, but

this is just one more of  the "too many sites" as MaxV calls them.

it seems, that too many rebol user think they should do their own 
and can do it better.

this may be, but I think the average Rebol user is just to much individualist 
to join

Well, at leat now you have VID source working on GitHub... :-)

+1 for sqlab, +1 for MaxV :)

why don't we just follow Saphirion guys? They concentrate very fine 
rebollers, it is just that as a business entity, they implement, 
what they need most. But - everybody can influence it via donations 
imo, so I did, sent few dollars to R3 droid port, and R3 GUI on droid.

in fact, it is even worse - GUI is done for quite some time, yet 
no new styles/skins appear, so nothing to complain here about - anyone 
of us can contribute. I just somehow don't believe, that yet-another-fork 
will make situation any better ....

In regards to above remark, I e.g. don't understand e.g. Nick requesting 
R2 being released, as R3 GUI is superior to R2, we just somehow magically 
don't start using it, dunno why.

What imo R3 misses is some built-in protocols, databases. OTOH Cyphre 
created TLS scheme .....

Well, and if no leadership for some fork comes up - here comes the 
Red ;-)

Rebol 3 Bazaar is Saphirion Rebol 3, at the moment. Saphirion wanted 
to go on GitHub, but htey ahve not time to do it. Now everybody can 
contribute and speed up Rebol 3 devolpment.

Because Rebol 3 stopped a month ago...

well then,  I consider Saphirion's work being a de-facto standard 
nowadays, unless Carl reappears actively reviewing new stuff ...

Be realistic, Rebol could be 1000 times better than Livecode or Java; 
but is wasn't supported. Rebol 3 closed source stopped in 2011, Rebol 
3 open  source stopped a moth ago. If ReBol 3 Bazaar will not take 
off, start to buy the tombstone for Rebol.

Red is total another type of programming language, it has to be compiled.

I pushed Facebook Rebol group  from 100 to 263 users now, but people 
is loosing interest in Rebol, I write the Rebol blog quite every 
day; and I'll dedicate my time also to Rebol Bazaar. I don't know 
why Rebol software is orphan and I don't care. I'll try to rise again 
it in the Olympus of best software (since nobody else do it), if 
you are with me you are welcome. I have no enemies, just friends.

MaxV: you might have missed the announce, but Red has an interpreter 
and a console since new year.

You might want to check this: http://static.red-lang.org/console-pro.png

Max you have to understand that most users already use Altme, and 
Stack overflow these days.   rebol.org and Github are there for source 
sharing.


R3 is not dying, its not Carl's job of moving it forward.  R3 is 
now on Android, for example, this wasn't available just a month ago.

In my humble opinion there is an immense wall between users and developers, 
that is not the open source way. Altme is inaccessible to most user, 
nobody know it and the procedure to register is hidden somewhere 
and too complicated; here we have no more than 50 readers. Rebol.com 
site seems a dead site. Curecode seems a secret society (it's impossible 
to reach if don't know the correct link, who is  working on it?). 
 Stack overflow is the only way at the moment users have to discover 
somenthing about Rebol, but it's not the appropriate site. We cold 
multiply 1000 times users with a good support.  Rebol must be more 
partecipative, but I don't see around anything about it.  Everytime 
I write a post about Rebol, I feel like an archaeologist with a dead 
language. Searching information about Rebol is a huge quest.
What did you do for Rebol? What can you do now for Rebol?

Do you want to build an open working infrastructure or you want remain 
sat on your chair looking Rebol going in ruin?

We have finally Rebol and Rebol VID source working, now we have to 
attract developers from all around the world.

I''m not starting a new Rebol, just making attractive for normal 
people, the bones and muscles of every good open source project.

Regarding the "portal", I fear I have to agree with sqlab so far. 
The approach of just wholesale copying in or duplicating information 
from other primary sources strikes me as particularly bad. 

For example:
http://rebol.informe.com/wiki/view/REBOL_2_Guide

This just copies over the "REBOL Programming" wikibook:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/REBOL_Programming


However, it does so, without _any_ attribution at all, giving people 
no hint where as to the primary source for that information. Second, 
it is a one-off import which is not being kept up to date, so really 
just muddies the information out there. For example, Ladislav recently 
updated the "mold" article [1], but where is that reflected in the 
rip-off?

[1] http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/REBOL_Programming/mold


I strongly suggest that this wholesale importing of other information 
is stopped or maybe even undone. Otherwise you'll just create more 
stale information. Just a link to to the primary sources really is 
the better approach.


If you want this site to take off, create _new_ information; this 
way, you'll actually _add_ value.

Sorry if that is harsh, but this approach of just blindly copying 
stuff around seems to hit a nerve (for me).

Well to me it looks like there is just way too much happening to 
follow it all. Then one github repository for R3 is enough unless 
you really need another one to test and fool around with completely. 
The source being on Github is nice because I now have a copy, but 
it hinders me to contribute because I do not have the time nor the 
will to find out how to contribute changes, and when I tried I found 
it puzzling enough, so I decided it is too much trouble for now and 
to only look at the sources and not to contribute. (This goes for 
the Red github situation as well).

Max, no need, we're already on it. For someone making a community 
site, you seem to have done so by fiat without consulting the community 
first.

(That was to MaxV, btw, not Maxim.)

transmitted by HostileFork - "Good points, all of them.  Let us discuss 
r3bazaar... on SO chat.

No need. We've already been dealing with this issue on SO chat, and 
in the other communication venues where the relevant developers are, 
for the last week, and we already have a plan. Like I said, we're 
already on it.