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[REBOL Syntax] Discussions about REBOL syntax
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Ladislav 18-Feb-2012 [246x5] | My opinion is that there needs to be a "common syntax rule", (either allowing #"<" as a syntax separator character or not) |
Similarly the above load "+<tag>" and load "-<tag>" look like an inconsistency in syntax. | |
When compared to load ".<tag>" | |
I wrote http://issue.cc/r3/1903 http://issue.cc/r3/1904 http://issue.cc/r3/1905 | |
Regarding these above three. What are the preferences of potential users: a) reflect all these "as is" in the syntax.r code b) do something else? | |
Steeve 18-Feb-2012 [251x2] | We could produce several documents (Btw I don't think it's a practical idea to continue further mixing R2 and R3 syntax) - R3 pure expected syntax (without glitch, inconsistency) - R2 pure expected syntax (without glitch, inconsistency) - R3 with glichs - R2 with glichs |
Wowww mostly forgot. in R3 [#] is a shortcut for [none] | |
Ladislav 18-Feb-2012 [253] | I guess that nobody uses that. |
Steeve 18-Feb-2012 [254] | issue-char-R2: complement union charset "@" termination-char issue-char-R3: complement union charset "@$%:<>\" termination-char |
Ladislav 18-Feb-2012 [255] | OK, I will put it in |
Steeve 18-Feb-2012 [256x7] | correction: issue-char-R3: complement union charset "@$%:<>\#" termination-char |
I use a function to automate the testing of the charsets | |
test-syn: func [ chars [bitset!] sample [string!] /local c l t? ci ][ t?: type? first to-block sample repeat i 256 [ c: replace copy sample "?" ci: to-string to-char i - 1 if find ci chars [ if error? l: try [to-block c] [ l: disarm l l: reform [l/id l/arg1 l/arg2] ] if any [1 <> length? l t? <> type? l/1][ print [i - 1 mold to-char i - 1 mold l attempt [type? l/1]] ] ] ] ] | |
example for issue! >> test-syn issue-char "#?" | |
it prints out all the errors | |
works with R2 or R3 | |
but you need to have [disarm] when used with R3. I use this defintion: >> unless value? 'disarm [disarm: func[e][:e]] | |
Steeve 19-Feb-2012 [263x3] | issue-syntax-R3: [#"#" some issue-char-R3 termination] issue-syntax-R2: [#"#" any issue-char-R2 termination] |
tag-char-beg: complement union whitespace charset {=<>"^@} tag-char: complement charset {">^@} tag-syntax-R3: [#"<" [not #"]" tag-char-beg | quoted-string] any [some tag-char | quoted-string] #">" termination] tag-syntax-R2: [#"<" [tag-char-beg | quoted-string] any [some tag-char | quoted-string] #">" termination] | |
in R3 the exception with the starting #]" may be a bug | |
BrianH 19-Feb-2012 [266] | Someone's complained about it, but I think it's sn intentional fix to this bug in R2: >> [ < ] == [<] >> [<] ** Syntax Error: Invalid tag -- < ** Near: (line 1) [<] |
Steeve 19-Feb-2012 [267x2] | It's more related with a wrong doing with the tag! decoding to me |
but anyway | |
BrianH 19-Feb-2012 [269x2] | When people wanted to refer to the < word in R2, and they can't use the lit-word syntax for arrow words in R3 and pre-a97 R3, one way is to store that word in a block and use FIRST to get the value. However, in R2 that resulted in a value that LOAD choked on. The <] tradeoff was made really early on in the R3 project to solve that issue. The alternative would be to make MOLD mold [<] as [< ], or more specifically to make < mold as "< ", with an extra space every time. |
in R3 and pre-a97 R3 -> in R2 and pre-a97 R3 | |
Steeve 19-Feb-2012 [271] | I would add it's easy bypassed in R2 if one insert a blank after < >> [< ] ==[<] |
BrianH 19-Feb-2012 [272] | The way MOLD is written, the values are molded by code that doesn't know it's in a block. You could have the ] handling code check against a charset of iffy characters and then optionally insert an extra space if found, but that doesn't deal with user-written code where [>] works and [<] doesn't. The usage of ] as the first character in a tag is so rare that it's not a bad tradeoff to make. |
Steeve 19-Feb-2012 [273x3] | Well, I agree |
Introducing email! datatype next. form: '?[*-:-*'] ':' may be in the first position only '<' can't be in the first position '%FF' escaping chars in hexa notation | |
Both R2, R3 escape-uri: [#"%" 2 hex-digit] email-char: complement union charset {%@:} termination-char email-syntax: [ [#":" | not #"<" email-char | escape-uri] any [email-char | escape-uri] #"@" any [email-char | escape-uri] termination ] | |
Andreas 19-Feb-2012 [276x2] | Hmm, when : is in the first position, a : can occur anywhere afterwards as well. |
For example, [:a:@:b:] | |
Steeve 19-Feb-2012 [278] | not anymore an email! but an url! then |
Andreas 19-Feb-2012 [279] | Not in R3. |
Steeve 19-Feb-2012 [280x5] | right |
right | |
right | |
good catch, true in R2 also | |
Arg, It will be hard to keep the rule tight | |
BrianH 19-Feb-2012 [285] | I figure that we should look at the email formatting standard, then subtract support for any syntax that would conflict with something else in REBOL, especially if that doesn't commonly show up in actual email addresses. We've already made some tradeoffs in favor of email (i.e. no @ in issues or words), maybe we want to make more. |
Andreas 19-Feb-2012 [286] | Where would we "want" to do that? |
BrianH 19-Feb-2012 [287] | Doesn't work for R2 though - that syntax just needs to be documented, it can't be changed. |
Andreas 19-Feb-2012 [288x2] | Or how would such a desire reflect? |
In filing CC issues? | |
BrianH 19-Feb-2012 [290x2] | When I was trying to replicate the R3 word syntax, it was partly to document R3, partly to serve as the basis of a more flexible TRANSCODE that would allow people to handle more sloppy syntax without removing the valuable errors from the regular TRANSCODE, but mostly it served to generate new CC tickets for syntax bugs that we weren't aware of because the syntax wasn't well enough documented, and they hadn't come up in practice yet. |
There is a large, unknown number of such bugs in URL syntax, for instance. I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case with email too. | |
Andreas 19-Feb-2012 [292x2] | If it's obvious bugs, that's comparatively easy, yes. |
Your initial message above sounded more like wishes towards a more restricted email!. | |
BrianH 19-Feb-2012 [294x2] | A more thorough examination of the syntax makes more of these bugs obvious. |
I don't necessarily want a more restricted email! than it is already, but if we are expanding what is possible with email!, it will still likely need to be restricted relative to the email standard. | |
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