World: r3wp

If you add functionality to Boron, it becomes a derivative work and 
subject to GPL restrictions.  And stop shouting. lol

He means that Boron is LGPL, rather than GPL. You still get (an extended 
large subset of) the restrictions.

Yes, and the distinction warrants some shouting after half a decade 
of Boron and ORCA development

any idea what you're thinking of charging for it?

I haven't really thought of selling it, so I have no clue.

I have some free-lance work to do these days, but will continue work 
on World too.


The next thing for World is finishing the memory handling, so contexts 
are freed completely (problems with functions and blocks within contexts 
today). I'll check cyclic references too. After that, it's the rest 
of the datatypes, functions and better networking.

I just checked network.
You do not have an error handling for connect

Where and how do you handle a closed socket during receive (total 
== 0)

In src/host/network.c line 86 and src/host/win32/network.c line 84. 
I break out of the while loop, if recv returns zero in case of closed 
socket.

Yes, I saw that, but what do you do, if total is zero. What do you 
display or give back.
I just get an endless stream of "00000"  until crash

Under OS X, I get an empty binary, which is expected behaviour. Under 
WinXP, the process hangs here. The OS X and Linux version of World 
use standard BSD networking, the Windows version use MS networking, 
where an init is needed. You're welcome to suggest changes to the 
host specific sources. At this stage, I won't use a lot of time on 
Windows specific sources, as I don't use that platform very much.


I consider using cURL for networking, as that could give a lot of 
features fast. If I find, it adds too much to the overall size of 
World, it could be cut along the way by moving features from cURL 
to World sources.

In fact, it's libcurl, I consider, as cURL is a command line tool.

Geomol: is your freelance work using World-lang, just wondering if 
you find it good enough to do work in yet

No, mostly COBOL and some REBOL for now.

New release at: https://github.com/Geomol/World

- Added function to rebol.w: rebol (makes it easier to run REBOL 
scripts)
- Added option: --
- Fixed bug

Any news here? Wondering why the momentum is mostly gone für world.

maybe the licensing talk kind of lowered enthusiasm

Maybe Geomol has found his own cave ?

:))

Probably there comes free cave with every closed-source language.

The last release was only a couple weeks ago.

Gregg - "only a couple weeks ago"? That pretty much sucks. Geomol 
HAS TO relalise, that noone is really intereted in old school models, 
or he is on his own ....

Is that sarcasm Petr?

It is his free will to choose his license, as it is his free will 
to stay mostly unnoticed ...

Gregg - not a sarcasm, just my point of view ...

OK. How often do you expect new releases then, to keep people interested?

What Geomol offers, is already being ruined by Carl and RT ...

Gregg - it is not about new releases, it is about caring about the 
product at all. So - Geomol announced World. After two months, my 
reality check is - NOONE is really interested, period.

And the culprit - the licence - the old song .... RT's path ...

I admit that I haven't made time to dig into World, but there is 
already a *lot* there from what I have seen. Personally, I am very 
interested. I am also very interested in leveraging community efforts 
in support of all the REBOL-like languages that are available.

As well as R2 and R3, including Saphirion's work.

As for me - I do care about the Red - I already donate, and I will 
do so in next few weeks again. In opposition to you, I don't care 
in ANY closed efforts again. I don't care about RT anymore. Carl 
is an ufo :-) I can't accept  ANYONE, behaving like he is. Weren't 
we supposed to know the resolution of our situation? This is total 
crap - Saphirion my ass - Carl is just making joke of us all ...

As an IT manager, Carl would not survive one interview, period. His 
treat of REBOL related community, it totallly laughable. This it 
TOTAL failure, period. Anyone claiming - well -he has been away just 
for one year, is just an idiot ...

RT does not deserve any furter comment for me ...

Move to Vent to continue this.

No, no need for me ... you are too think skinne. The reality check 
is rather harsh though ...

Most users will not express it publicly. But many will agree - Carl 
has totally failed, easy as that ...

He said he had some real money making work to do

Mchean - WTF?

geomol

he had to do some work to pay the bills

I hope that he'll see the light about the licensing, he seems very 
reasonable

We were supposed to see an agreement between the Saphirion, and RT. 
And as expected - nothing happened. Perhaps, Carl is growing his 
wine :-)

or drinking it :)

Mchean - as for Geomol - I feel sorry for him - he is a victim of 
RT's treat of the community .... Geomol has clear view of how to 
put his project forward, but ppl don't seem to be interested - that's 
my impression at least ...

on the other hand I understand his concern about getting a return 
on his investment, and if world were

My impression (correct me if I'm wrong, Geomol) is that Geomol doesn't 
require our interest to get a return on his investment. He's already 
got a planned use for World in his own projects. Our interest and 
feedback is a bonus.

Pekr! Take a breath. When you're calm, then read your words here 
again. You're very off topic. Please move such rants to appropriate 
group. Please!

Then reality check:


This group was started 2 months ago. It's easy to go through it and 
look for my blue and yellow releases and notes. That's a lot of progress 
in 2 months. If you see it otherwise, then you're blind. The C sources 
of World has grown a lot in those two months, and it's quality work 
with few errors considering the amount.


You will most likely see the progress of World come in waves. I had 
worked intensely on it more than full time since before summer. Yes, 
more than full time (more than 8 hours a day, also week-ends), so 
that's a lot of man hours. The last month, I've done paid freelance 
work too. At the same time, for World I'm researching better networking 
(cURL), getting lib calls to work under Windows 64 using libffi and 
finishing the memory model, so circular references are coped with 
correctly. Why didn't I say so? Because I like to announce things, 
when it's done, instead of giving false hopes, but now I made an 
exception.


1) I'm not going to give my work away for free at this time. That's 
because I see no benefit in doing so.

2) World will not come in a situation like REBOL, with lots of errors 
for a long time and still closed source. If I wasn't able to continue 
work on World (to fix errors, make further progress or whatever), 
and if people relied on work already done, then I would open source 
it. As this isn't the current situation with World, this is no argument 
to open source it.


If you don't like my model, move on. Negative rants here are not 
productive.