World: r3wp

We all were. The first negative sign for me was, when Carl announced, 
that he is not going to post montly updates. Those were much appreciated 
and motivating. I knew, that it means just one thing - Carl going 
into the cave mode. R3 is almost on-hold for 5 months ....

I hope someone will soon post something on a more positive note :-)

stop being obsessive about deadlines and you'll feel much better.

it's not about deadlines, it is about any sign of project management, 
coordinated efforts, estimated milestones, defined featureset ....

Carl is working on bug-fixing, did two releases last week, and is 
working on extracting view from the core, which he has stated a while 
ago.


What do you want Carl to do more?     AFAIK, there is nothing "unknown" 
right now.   we are simply waiting for Carl to finish this cumbersome 
task before any  of the above *can* be done.


so far, Carl has been telling us everything he's doing every step 
of the way.   some things just take time.  its not as if Carl is 
waiting doing nothing.  

He's been working his ass off  tackling huge items on the list.  
Some of the very things you (and many of us) have been "complaining" 
about for years.

two releases last week? where?

Maxim - I just think that you know nothing ...

the atmosphere is a bit tense lately

some people like it that way  ;-)

the biggest problem is not the development, or the lack of thereof, 
but the lack of communication. I think that one short message per 
week or two on Twitter would not hurt :-) Just last two working days, 
 I experienced the same - I am leading our corporate site roll-out 
to 8 branches abroad. Marketing managers involved. While I worked 
like mad for last week, I started to receive emails, asking for the 
status update - and that's it - ppl just want to plan a bit their 
things. When I explained other branches, what I am busy with, they 
stopped asking, and I will update them once per week, till I finish 
the job ... and that's it ... correct communications ....

two releases last week? where?
 - Alpha 98 and 99, in the usual place.

2-3 weeks ago?

Less than 2 weeks.

You do realize that Carl went to a conference after a99, right? He 
twittered about it and everything.

Is there some simple way how to extract values of one datatype (eg. 
string!) from a block! ? Something like filter [...] string! ?

remove-each val blk [not string? val]

Thanks Henrik!

and is there a function like ALTER but that adds a value to a block 
if not present and leaves block as is if value is already present?

I think this was just discussed a few days ago in this group. Search 
for ENTAIL.

I just see a lengthy discussion about that function's name... Nevermind, 
I wrote one myself already. It's faster than to use AltME's search.

INCLUDE : if I pick the usage well, it can be named APPENDNEW. The 
tradeoff if the length, but its shorter than the either statement 
anyway. So we can have an INSERTNEW too.

ANEW, INEW

INCLUDE.   why is everyone dancing around this word.  <sigh>

this is what the word means.  


union is merging two sets.  Including, means adding to a set.  since 
a set is by definition a collection of unique items, I don't see 
what's the problem.

INCLUDE, includes several meanings.

and in set theory, "set inclusion" is just another name for the subset 
relation

INCLUDE has the drawback to be already used for other purposes in 
computer languages (like preprocessor).
We simply could peek a synonym, they are many.

COMPRISE, CONSIST, CONTAIN, HOLD, CONTAIN, BEAR, CARRY, INTEGRATE.
A short one if possible...

CONTAIN is not bad

matter of taste...

i like HOLD because it's short

CATCH is not bad either...

oh.. already used, forget it

eh ! what about PROPOSE ?

it has a sense of a contionnal action... no ?

I like #INCLUDE as a preprocessor directive, and I wouldn't mind 
if the function (e.g. Ladislav's INCLUDE) had a different name, like 
ASSEMBLE. I know he has a BUILD func already,

I also don't mind if I need to port things to a new system for R3, 
as many things need to be revisited anyway. As long as I can run 
old R2 scripts side-by-side easily. The important thing, then, is 
getting everyone on the same page with regard to the various domains, 
steps, and responsibilities of design, assembly, and deployment.

just call the "missing" function UPSERT and be done with it. will 
also fit nicely, if you add special treament of "keyed" records to 
it (using the usual /skip and /part refinements).

Max, Robert - thanks for offering Carl a help with the Help Kit maintanance. 
If we do it, I buy Android phone to test R3 :-) I was also thinking 
about the Beagle board, etc. Simply I would like to see R3 on ARMs, 
as in mobile sphere, they are - everywhere ...

I am also thinking of buying a beagle board, for robotic experimentation 
with my kids.

Are these more versatile than a plug computer? I guess so if you 
want to use 3D and the other media related IO ports, but otherwise 
how do they compare?

they are motherboards which you can use to make plug computers

they have everything on-board (even a graphic chip IIRC) and standard 
connectors right on the board.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beagle_Board

the graphics actually aren't that bad  (10 million polys a second!)

We are registered with Texas Instrumets, and they have new DaVinci 
gfx chip -

 http://focus.ti.com/dsp/docs/dspplatformscontento.tsp?sectionId=2&familyId=1300&tabId=1855&DCMP=dm368_041410_eu&HQS=Other+EM+dm368elp-ee

or this board...$49 - CM-X300 Computer-On-Module http://www.compulab.co.il/x300/html/x300-cm-datasheet.htm?gclid=CPinmdrk3qECFaEN5QodCgu1KA

although you can find Arm based laptops for under $100. You already 
get the keyboard and screen....

too much cool stuff out there  ;-)

What are people actually using R3 for at present?

Internal tools, prtotyping to see how far we can go with it, up-front 
development of necessary libs

Are there anythings you are doing that can't be done with r2?