World: r3wp

And I am the DevBase project lead.

I hope that Reichart takes what I will say now easy, as it is just 
my pov, but while Qtask give real work to some of REBOL guys, which 
is really cool, it might be also the cause why some top guys vanished. 
How often Cyphre, Gabriele, Anton, are here? Cyphre did not touch 
View for 8 or more months? Some things are not still finished. It 
is two sided sword.

(which I will get back to more next week)

Brian - I know what you do. What I mean by R3 core work is really 
a low level work - finish Unicode, finish modules, finish plug-ins, 
finish tasking, etc., so that projects like Cheyenne (which could 
turn in kind of killer app for REBOL) can proceed (move to R3).

Cyphre's work on REBOL is paid work, and they tend to accumulate 
a whole batch of fixes for him to do in one job.

We are now in the accumulation phase of that, I believe.

OK, I give up. I am in waiting mode, studying new GUI, in order to 
be able to catch few bugs for Carl. I reall wish host codes would 
be uploaded, so those of us interested, could start porting efforts 
to Os-X, Linux, Win Mobile ... and plug-in :-)

Anton does not work for Qtask.

I thought he is. So my apologies to Reichart.

Richard not working on REBOL has NOTHING to do with Qtask.

Gab not working on REBOL has NOTHING to do with Qtask (but they can 
speak up for themselves.)

You can't expect everything to be done at once. Right now we are 
focusing on what needs to be done for a developer release. The rest 
can be put off until after that release. It's triage.

Pekr, I know you keep pounding on this, but you a really wrong here... 
 Brian knows my stance on REBOL, and can attest to this.

In person :)

Qtask is their primary work, no? I am not accusing Qtask of anything, 
just that it is a primary job, which keeps guys busy. It is not only 
about REBOL, but those guys vanished from public REBOL life almost 
altogether. Can't remember Cyphre's post here, or to ML, Gabriele 
is here sporadically too.

Failure to correctly recognize causality is the root of most failures 
of perception.

Gabriele and Cyphre aren't very social.

I see Gab here most days .. he just doesn't post unless he has something 
to say

Good to see him on camera today.

I had seen pictures of him from devcon past.

I talk to Gab almost every day....and to Richard several times a 
week....Gab is actually very "social", but only in small groups.

As Reichart can tell you, my standards for "social" might be a little 
much...

:)

Failure to correctly recognize causality is the root of most failures 
of perception.

   I am going to translate that in 37 languages and sell T-shirts.

NEWEST WORKING VERSION:

http://rockfactory.us/rooms/room22

This has broadcast area on the left (comfortably fits 640x480), text 
chat on right - with name login (and private text/video/audio chat 
between any audience members), links include a file area, with file 
area, and a separate text/video/audio room for random group discussions. 
  According to today's activities, this should satisfy our needs.

with file area  -> with file upload

Please try it out and lemme know!

Looks much better now ...

Looked good on a quick try out. Goodnight!

Yes, better...neeeds Helv font everywhere.

My FMS server is hosted, so I need to prepare for the event by ensuring 
enough connections, bandwidth, and storage space reserved on the 
server.  I currently have a 40 connection limit, but it's no problem 
to raise that as high as needed - I just need to do it soon.  I'd 
appreciate some help getting a concensus of the number of people 
to expect.  Right now 4 people are signed up at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html
 for December 27th, 3pm EST.  Is that when we've decided to hold 
the event?  We had an additional 10 people signed up for yesterday's 
prep meeting, and 16 people came to visit.  Signing up at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html
 would help me get a better estimate.  I could set up a registration 
process and hand out unique user/pass combinations, but would prefer 
to leave it as open as possible for those interested to just join 
in...  If anyone has ideas about how to estimate a head count, I'd 
appreciate any suggestions.   Thanks!

NickA, I plan on attending.

Thanks Paul :)  Just to be clear, I need to plan on enough connections, 
including for those who are just watching.

Even though this is a virtual DevCon (DevVerCon), we should treat 
it like a full DevCon, with a page for people, like this http://www.colellachiara.com/devcon05/

REBOL DevVerCon 2008 
REBOL DevCon (virtual) 20008
REBOL Devcon 2008 (World wide virtual attendance)

And post all the vidoes to youtube, if possible

NickA, I signed up.

Signed up; but I'll only be lurking.

Not to confuse anyone but Nick has set up a better signup procedure 
at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html. Thanks to Geomol, Reichart 
and Btiffin for putting their names on the checklist. I think we're 
still waiting for a 3.0 Presenter.

John and Brian, I didn't see your names on the list at http://rockfactory.us/events/devcon.html, 
so I took the liberty of adding you, along with others who've specifically 
stated they'd attend.  Aside from the mailing list, are there any 
other lists here on Altme or elsewhere that I should be checking?

The next step should probably be organizing presentation times and 
topics.  I've only seen the names posted on the mailing list (http://www.rebol.org/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlCWZC).

Reichart, I'll be happy to put up a page about devcon 2008, and afterward 
host any recordings that get made.  My design skills are terrible, 
though, so if anyone wants to prepare a nice looking layout, it'll 
surely look better than anything I come up with...

If you're presenting, screenshots and any other files that you want 
to make available can be uploaded to the file area at http://rockfactory.us/rooms/room22/transfer.html
.  I also prepared a temporary ftp account  to help upload multiple 
files - same username and pass.  Please let me know if you have any 
questions!

Sorry if it was answered before,  but does the meeting will be available 
to unregistered user (publicly available) or registration is a requirement 
to see it ?

I even don't know, how I registered myself. Registration is kind 
of confusing. If I would not found ML message (or was it on AltME?) 
about user: devcon, pass: devcon, I would not know, how to "log in". 
But - system seems to recognise me, so maybe it uses cookies to further 
identify particular users?

Is there a tool to demo an app so everyone can see it? (like remote 
desktop or "go to meeting"). 

I understand there will be video and audio and chat, screen grab 
and display. Anything I missed?

Guys, this is why I want to put up a webpage.

I think in the spirit of crowd sources, no one person should be expected 
to do more than one thing.


Nick, don't worry about the webpage, Gab, or someone will host.
Chris, or I, or someone will do the art and design.
etc.  


I plan to pound on this tomorrow in fact.   There are no egos here...who 
ever can help or do the best job, step up.

Once the webpage is up, then we can point everyone to one place, 
and quickly update it until it all makes sense.

very fair offer ...