World: r3wp

Richard (Cypher) should be back from holiday soon, if you post to 
him privately he will respond.  

I don't know of any "better" system than ray casting for making that 
type of game.

However, in general, everything is a sub-set of raytraciing.  The 
game is to do the most with the least CPU.
You should look at some of the Quake engine stuff.

Thanks Reichart, I will :)  I've played a little with the OGRE engine 
in Purebasic - I think it's time more of these standard tools start 
getting wrapped in REBOL, now that the command potential of REBOL 
has been opened up.  I personally think that the pay-for-api access 
was one of the main reasons that REBOL never became as popular as 
it should've.  Wrapping cool tools should really help open more eyes 
as to what REBOL can do, at least on initial look'n'see.

yes, I completely agree with NickA... python's lua's haxe's very 
important strenghts were always that you got a easyer "scripting 
/ dynamic lang" access to various c/c++ apis ranging from databases, 
 openssl, libevent..  to wxwidgets to 3d and 2d engines (pyogre, 
pycap, pyglet) ... These bindings aren't all "perfect" fit to the 
language, for example coding xwPython app feels a LOT more low level 
than java swing app as you are dealing with direct c++ api, but they 
give you full world of choices that you otherwise just couldn't have, 
and you can always build wrap core api-s in more in this case rebolish 
shape.

There is also other side of this equation that is also very good 
to have IMHO. Easy binding to c libraries, and the reverse, possibility 
to embed REBOL vm/interpreter into c++. Lua (and nekoVM) for example 
allows both these things very nicely, python seems to be much worse 
at embedding and it's generally discouraged for example. To give 
just 2 quick examples, when I was making BKSJOS game (still in the 
making) I could very simply embed lua into the otherwise BlitzMax 
game and I used just lua instead of something like XML to "define" 
the individual levels, so they could also include "dynamic" logic 
(via events) and special behaviours with no complex coding in the 
blitzmax side.  If I could use REBOL for something like this it would 
be great.

Second example is direct game engines. I was making some games in 
PTK (it's a c++ library for mac and win) in the past. I wanted to 
use PTK with a higher level language and making a binding to it feels 
like a major pain to me, so after the BlitzMax+Lua experience I simply 
made a simple "engine" with it and embeded enkovm/haxe in it . I 
exposed some functions from c++ side like loadSprite, drawSprite 
and make some call-ins into the nekovm like "draw" and I could already 
code a simple game with it.  So embedding if possible at all of course 
would mean a great strength for rebol in my eyes! I think I once 
noticed that this will be possible in R3 but I couldn't find it later 
and I remember it only vaguely.

links to what I mentioned: BlitzMax + Lua game:

http://itmmetelko.com/blog/2008/10/06/bravekids-summer-job-in-outer-space-2/
     PTK+nekovm experiment http://itmmetelko.com/blog/2008/10/12/haxe-nekovm-meet-ptk/

rebol would be very interesting  choice for this because it can "do" 
and process it's own code at runtime and it would make for a *dream 
combination* of making games that you can code and edit at runtime 
without restarting!

Anyone got experience with Stackless Python? http://www.stackless.com/
It seems to be suited for game programming.

Oldes, I'd suggest you look at http://unity3d.com/unity/

This framework could be a good choice for your port of the flash 
game. You can publish on WIndows/Mac/Wii/iPhone.

I have been playing with their IDE on Mac..it was not so great but 
not much worse than Flash IDE  I know they are now building IDE for 
Windows.

You can script the game using JIT compiled JavaScript or C#(Mono)..what 
a pity there is no Rebol support :)

Looks good.. but we first must finish the Flash version anyway. I'm 
now working on level 11 so at least another 11 still have todo.

but.. it seems to be especially for 3D.There is no info how to import 
or use vector animations. And the price is quite high:
    *  Retail: $30,000 per title
    * WiiWare: $15,000 per title

Also: You must be a an Authorized Developer for the Wii console and 
obtain a Wii development kit

just do it. you already have one Wii customer.

Joh,, I have used it years ago. If it is gane programming, you might 
consider Lua

Ah yes, Lua. I've heard it mentioned many times, but never got to 
look at it myself.

Nice, compact, good community. From the looks of it, nice books. 
Did I mention is was open source ;-) ?  IIRC Adobe's lightroom is 
largely built with it as well

NickA:  the d3d was Andrew Hoadley. Not an active member, but is 
a friend of mine who has a professional interest in 3D.

Andrew's day job .. http://mvh.com.au/portal/index.php

John, definately check out lua if you haven't.  Really cool stuff.

http://www.lua.org/about.html

http://www.threadless.com//product/1693/zoom.gif

heh - funny

can anyone recommend a good MMO game to try... I long had some ideas 
for more lightweight MMO and would like to see how a good mmo works/plays 
but whatever I try it's pretty boring and bland, but I am not very 
knowledgable in gameplaying :)

http://www.anarchy-online.com
A big part of the game is free of charge.

Janko, what MMOs have you tried, that you find boring?

if you like your MMO with a little meat then try EVE-Online .. one 
of the best ive seen for thinking people :)

what does MMO mean?

massively multiplayer online [insert genre here]

ahhh.  Cool

like everquest?

yes - that is in the RPG genre

ok, thanks.

so MMORPG

ahhh ok.

(Geomol - it's a complex subject , I need some more time to reply 
:)

This coming MMO looks promising: http://www.swtor.com/
Check out the latest cinematic trailer!

Nice games: http://www.oneclickdog.com/

yep  cool  I like the music.  really good quality for a flash game... 
people usually use cheesy (bad) soundtracks.

finally found a flash game to explain liquid   :-D  

http://www.y8.com/games/Liquid_Measure

Level 20 was the easiest :)

the only one that really got me guessing was level 10  :-)

good game.

took me some time to figure out lvl 10 as well

very nice game using physics engine http://windosill.com

http://woodgears.ca/eyeball/index.html

Scored 2.13, the point of equidistance one is probably the toughest 
one.

my  runs  come out at  5  I suppose it could be my monitor ... yea 
thats it ;)

That Eyeballing game (done in Flash) is a quite simple mathematical 
game. My score was modal.

3.8