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[!REBOL2 Releases] Discuss 2.x releases

Kaj
28-Dec-2009
[582]
I have an old View 1.3.2 here on Ubuntu where echo takes a bit over 
100 ms, so the bigger delay may be a recent regression
Carl
28-Dec-2009
[583x3]
The 2.7 test release has been built. This is the base build for the 
next release. It contains SSL, ODBC, DES, etc., and no-license key 
is required.


In addition, I've added an install checkbox to the Prefs (User panel) 
and an Uninstall to the Help panel. These are just shortcuts to existing 
features.

The download is www.rebol.com/downloads/view277-test1.exe


Note that it's version # is 2.7.6, but it has a new system/build 
date. Don't mix it up with prior versions, as it's not at all tested.
Please coordinate via BrianH if you have any feedback or comments 
on this release.
Also... not going to spend time yet on non-Win32 until we know if 
this is close.
Carl
29-Dec-2009
[586x2]
Testing...

>> read https://secure28.inmotionhosting.com/~rebolc5/cgi-bin/order.cgi?cmd=buy&prod=sdk&
== {<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
<HTML>

So far, so good.
Oh, and I almost forgot: This is a TEST. Use entirely at your own 
risk. Do not distribute. Do not use to operate nuclear reactors, 
missle defense systems, aircraft, heart-lung machines, etc. etc.
Graham
29-Dec-2009
[588x4]
odbc works so far.
for hotmail, and gmail ...  download prot-spop.r from http://compkarori.no-ip.biz:8090/REBOL_stuff/REBOL_2/Secure_POP_and_SMTP
mbox: open compose [ scheme: 'spop host: "pop.gmail.com" user: [yournamegoeshere-:-gmail-:-com] 
pass: "password" ]

and then 

pick mbox 1

gives you your first email
sorry .. I cut and pasted that .. the 'compose is not needed
amacleod
29-Dec-2009
[592x2]
Awsome Graham...thank you for that (and Carl).
How long before SSL gets into enface? (support for  SDK)
Graham
29-Dec-2009
[594x2]
It's already in Sdk/command ...
Carl hasn't mentioned anything about freeing Rebol command which 
still sells
amacleod
29-Dec-2009
[596]
I did not know I would have the need when I bought SDK so I did not 
get SDK/Command
Graham
29-Dec-2009
[597x2]
rebol command sdk
you can always upgrade ...
amacleod
29-Dec-2009
[599x2]
FOr the difference? $100
I guesss that would be worth it.
Graham
29-Dec-2009
[601x3]
http://www.rebol.com/upgrade.html$199
I suggest asking Carl if he has any intentions of releasing free 
sdks first :)
Seeing how he has released a free rebol command which currently lists 
for $349.
amacleod
29-Dec-2009
[604]
Graham, Your scheme is for pop only..have you developed a send mail 
scheme?
Graham
29-Dec-2009
[605x2]
sort of ...
but why is it needed for?
amacleod
29-Dec-2009
[607]
What do you mean? To send mail from the gmail account from within 
application.
Graham
29-Dec-2009
[608]
I never needed to do that ..always have a smtp server around and 
just use the gmail account as the reply to address
amacleod
29-Dec-2009
[609]
I was contemplating using gmail for all users as I did not want to 
maintain my own mailserver plus it would give them access under their 
gmail usernames to use various tools provided by it...
Graham
29-Dec-2009
[610x2]
I wrote one ... just have to find it .. the site I posted it to is 
down.
In other words .. I never used it.
BrianH
29-Dec-2009
[612x2]
Graham, thanks for copying over those priorities from R2-Beta to 
here. About how those choices were made and phrased:


The R2-Beta world was used when we still thought of REBOL being updated 
more rarely, in larger increments. This is no longer the case, we 
are adopting the rapid release model, though more regulary than the 
R3 alphas. We need to shift our thinking accordingly.


Rapid release means that each individual R2 release doesn't have 
to include fixes for every outstanding bug. We can and will triage 
and prioritize, and your favorite bug may be moved to the next release. 
Which won't be a problem because that's coming next month, or the 
month after. Minor point releases will not be a major deal from now 
on, they will be monthly occurances.


The overall plan for the R2 2.7.x series is to fix what we can in 
R2 in a way that doesn't break things. This won't be a ground-up 
rewrite, as we are doing one of those already. No major model changes, 
just tweaks. There is a lot we can tweak though, including natives. 
We are trying to avoid disruptive changes that affect scripts at 
runtime, except in cases where things just didn't work before. Almost 
all code that works on 2.7.6 should continue to work - that is our 
goal. Don't expect broken code to stay broken though :)


The 2.7.7 release will not be ambitious, we just don't have the time. 
The priorities are business model changes and low-hanging fruit. 
The one piece of major breakage from the 2.7.x series that needs 
fixing in this release is the installer. If you have other priority 
fixes that can't wait til next month, and you are willing to do the 
work in this week, please speak up.
If people can get on the R2-Beta world and start discussing things 
by end of Tuesday pacific time, we can use that, otherwise all discussions 
will have to be here in this group. If that turns out to be the case, 
please keep the discussion on topic. During the next release period 
we can properly switch to the community development infrastructure 
we use to make R3. Yes, that includes R3 chat.
Henrik
29-Dec-2009
[614]
Brian, private msg.
BrianH
29-Dec-2009
[615]
One personal note: In Monday and Tuesday of this week (local time) 
I have a day job. Please accept my apologies for not being as active 
here during that time. By Tuesday evening I will be able to more 
actively participate in the development of 2.7.7, but for now I can 
only coordinate.
Graham
29-Dec-2009
[616]
Where's your documentation about what is broken for the (windows) 
installer?
BrianH
29-Dec-2009
[617x3]
It's been broken for so long, I no longer have the computer where 
I originally wrote it back in 2000 and posted it to the mailing list. 
It's still in my head though, so I'll collect it by Tuesday evening 
and start working. In brief:

- I don't know about installation on platforms other than Windows. 
Someone else will have to chime in here. Too ambitious for 2.7.7.

- Windows 2000+ support is still broken. Multi-user support is broken 
(same thing, really).

- Folder usage was mostly fixed in 2.6.3, but the registry is still 
misused. Registry migration will be needed.

- Non-admin installation should be possible, including user-specific 
file associations.

- Installation was broken altogether in the 2.7.x series - it doesn't 
work at all, not even to 2.6.3 levels.

- No-install usage of View needs better support. This means UI support 
too, if need be. VIew should be able to be a portable app.

Keep in mind that portable app usage of directories is completely 
different than installed usage, and needs to be.
Fixing Windows 2000+ support will also enable Vista and Win7 - the 
rules are the same.
Should the R2-compatible mezzanine fixes from R2/Forward be integrated 
as well? The answer to that depends on the timeframe, Carl.
Graham
29-Dec-2009
[620x4]
we have two days!
I don't see the installer being fixed in 2 days
The R2/forwards stuff is all tested ??
can you post a release so we can test it if not?
BrianH
29-Dec-2009
[624]
Yes, and the most recent release is already in R3 chat. The installer 
can be fixed in an evening at most.
Graham
29-Dec-2009
[625]
for those of us not in R3 chat ...
BrianH
29-Dec-2009
[626]
...you'll be left out of 2.7.8 development. Get in there.
Pekr
29-Dec-2009
[627]
As for installer, me, as a fan of copy&run principle, I would like 
simple option as Altme client has - on first screen, please allow 
"run from current location", and never ask again ...
Graham
29-Dec-2009
[628]
Pekr, that won't work with windows 7
Pekr
29-Dec-2009
[629x2]
... I expect that when you lauch .exe on system where REBOL is not 
yet installed, the installation process will run, right?
no?
BrianH
29-Dec-2009
[631]
That is the portable app method, which can't set file associations.