World: r3wp

That's ok, but in profressionnal world even if the main project is 
R3, R2 is the main product. And you need to see bug fixes, supports 
and so forth.

You need compatibility with Windows7, new version of Linux and MacOSX.
And what about Windows Phone ?

Windows Phone 7 won't get a REBOL version without a ground-up rewrite, 
as the platform doesn't allow native code. Older Windows Mobile releases 
never were supported, though R3's host kit could in theory support 
them.

Most of what is needed for Windows 7 compatibility was also needed 
for Windows 2000 compatibility (I reported it then), and mostly in 
the /View installer and registry usage. That installer is in the 
community-supported portion of R2, so if you download the SDK source 
you can take a look. The installer changes are intended for inclusion 
in 2.7.8, as the changes doc indicates.

Since a stable GUI based release of R3 is far off still, I agree 
that R2 should be updated

It shouldn't take that long .. I'm particularly interested in the 
date parsing bug in odbc

The community of customers who *paid* for the SDK need continued 
support

I also agree. It shouldn't take that long, given availability of 
developer resources.

There are other bugs in ODBC support as well, particularly in support 
for datatypes of recent MS SQL versions.

I'm not sure developer resources makes any difference since this 
is all closed source

maybe Carl can finally open source it ?

Ask Carl. Some of the source is not his to open, afaik. Much less 
of the R3 native code is licensed commercial code.

Closed or open, developer resources are still limited, mostly by 
financial issues.

Carl has offered several times to release the odbc sources if anyone 
were prepared to fix things

Cool.

Just needs someone who can fix the sources

Do we have a list of know bugs of R2 ?

Transparancy (?) is important. Not seeking for a problem, if the 
problem is already known...

Yes, there's a lack of developper... Maybe the community loose developper 
because of an R3 always delayed...

You need compatibility with Windows7
 - I do not miss compatibility with Windows 7, do you?

Nicolas, there is a beta r2 world but I think the bugs should all 
be listed here as well

For R2 bugs we have RAMBO:
http://www.rebol.net/cgi-bin/rambo.r

The last message in the bugs channel of the R2-beta world are from 
Sept

And from the 2.7.8 channel .. from April

I run Windows 7, so I am keenly aware of the need for compatibility, 
especially since those bugs also affect Vista for the most part.

We have been discussing things in the open here in this group instead 
of the R2-Beta world (which is why this group is not web-public.

The problem with R2 bugfixing is, that only Carl can patch the code.. 
and Carl is in a cave mode again... or travelling around the world 
:-)

Cave mode. Just heard from him. We'll be back to R2 development soon 
:)

Where is R2-Beta world ?

on AltME

so it's apport from rebol3 ?

is it still usefull to have a R2-Beta world or move into a group 
of rebol3 ?
How to join R2-Beta ?

It was used for chat about R2 bug fixing, but Carl is not visiting 
it anymore.

So a new group group in rebol3 world ?

I think that Carl, Gabriele or BrianH can give you R2-beta access. 
If you need to report R2 bug, you can use any (not R3 related) group 
here and submit it into Rambo.

Yes, Rambo is still the best option for R2 bugs.

I think the r2-beta world can go alive again if Carl would like to 
participate and next round of the R2 improvement.

The main difference between r2-beta and this world is, that it's 
allowed to upload files on r2-beta and it was used to give us pre-official 
releases.

It might come to that, but I am hoping to keep using this group as 
long as possible to manage the R2 release discussions.

We've been working on 2.7.8 today, and the test builds look good. 
New stuff coming from R2/Forward :)

Does ACCESS-OS do anything on Windows?

(Whoops, wrong group)

what is 2.7.8 going to address? Was the release needed? :-)

Hope the odbc date bug is fixed ...

Pekr, yes, most serious developers are using R2 for production use

And hope the design of View will be refreshed as what has been bone 
by Carl in march !
Cool design !
http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/gui/guide.html

Unfortunately R2 View is completely unrelated to R3 View, so it's 
not likely that any improvements will occur here.

Just change design... there was button, after btn with different 
design.

We need a refresh of the design of R2, to make it younger... The 
screenshoots of R3 GUI by Carl are cool.

nve - that will not simply happen imo. And even Carl's experimental 
skin (which I initially did not like) is no more available to even 
R3 View. So far we have got ugly glossy hybrid skin, which is here 
to ease development, so definitelly not final :-)

Refreshing R2 View is a huge amount of work (I spent almost a year 
building an extension of it) and IMHO not worth it. The look of R2 
View is one of its smaller problems.

The look of R2 View is one of its smaller problems.

 => OK, but we are in 2011 (already for some, in a couple of hours 
 for the others).

An look is important. Apple and Steve Jobs show how it is important.

A good look will be possible for R3 to do. It's simply a waste of 
time for R2 and you can't produce anything that resembles Aqua anyway 
in R2. In R3 that is possible. But focusing on look alone is a big 
mistake, which too many developers using GUI systems are suffering 
under.

nve - what is Henrik trying to point out imo, is the fact, that it 
is not that easy to change look of R2 VID and stay consistent. I 
think that with VID3 it is going to be easier, as the system is more 
and better abstracted. It might be easier to do the job for R3, than 
to R2. I believe R3 is going into beta sometimes ... when Carl re-appears 
 + 2-3 months :-)