World: r3wp

REBOL [
	Comment: {
		Inspired by http://www.rebol.com/how-to/feel.html
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view/new layout [
	across
	tabs 120
    the-box: box 200x200 "Test Events Here" forest feel [
        engage: func [face action event] [
			ac/text: mold action show ac
			ty/text: mold event/type show ty
			of/text: mold event/offset show of
			co/data: event/control show co
			sh/data: event/shift show sh
			ke/text: mold event/key show ke
			kt/text: mold type? event/key show kt
			ti/text: mold event/time show ti
			dc/data: event/double-click show dc
        ]
    ] return
	lbl "action:" tab ac: info 100 return
	lbl "event/" return
	lbl "type:" tab ty: info 100 return
	lbl "offset:" tab of: info 100 return
	lbl "control:" tab co: led off return
	lbl "shift:" tab sh: led off return
	lbl "key:" tab ke: info 100 return
	lbl "type? key:" tab kt: info 100 return
	lbl "time:" tab ti: info 100 return
	lbl "double-click:" tab dc: led off
	key #"Q" [quit]
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focus the-box
do-events

I seem to remember, that holding <ctrl>- or <shift>-key under Windows 
while pressing a mouse-button would be detected. Can anyone verify 
that? I can't get it to work under OSX.

yes you get an event with the /shift or /control set to true

(I didn't test in 2.7.4)

Maybe it should be the apple-key, that should work as <ctrl>!? hm

I'll post a comment about it.

I guess so. depends... we cannot handle the alt key  :-(  

do mac keyboards have the alt key?

yes

ok, so I guess the ctrl and mac keys equate.  I'd like to able to 
handle the alt keys too

well, in a way they do. there is a ctrl, alt and cmd key. on PC keyboards, 
the ctrl key handles things that normally is assigned to the cmd 
key and the ctrl key. this makes it a bit confusing to copy (ctrl-c) 
things from a terminal on a PC keyboard, whereas the mac keyboard 
uses cmd-C to copy. in rebol this means that the ctrl functionality 
in windows should be mapped to cmd on the mac, but if this was to 
be done right, we'd need a /cmd refinement as well.

Oh, the cmd-key (apple-key) will actually set event/control true, 
but only for key events. As it is now, I don't think, you can check 
for control or shift when getting a mouse event.

Under Windows, is it possible to detect both event/control and event/shift 
at the same time?

yes.

2.7.5 is out

that was a long week ;)

Did we lose our must-fix bug list? Was that in Graham's temporary 
world?

I bet 3.x is out sooner than anything 2.7 related ;-) Not that I 
would not like you guys have it, but just hopefully, R3 does not 
procrastinate as much as 2.7.x, which was supposed to be out - "soon" 
:-)

pekr, yes there is probably a little dilemma there.

Still on this world .. I can see it.

wow, nice to see the bugfixes for 2.7.6 piling up in RAMBO

basically not enough food to feed other indians.

that's my POV anyways.

the wrong bugs being fixed though... I would have preferred looking 
at hard crashes rather than bugs that can be worked around.

I have the same preference, but any sign of life is good.

corret rebcode, so that it can be included in 3.x ... forget 2.x

I'd really like if rebcode where included in 2.7 but had to be allowed 
within secure... so it would not be a security issue unless you want 
to use anything that you trust is ok.

all it would need is support for struct and arrays.

I feel like I  could really optimise a lot fo my code for it.

I generally just suffer from many deadends with hard crashes, places 
that are hard to work around.

when using rebcode?  or 2.7?  so far I've had very few real problems.... 
even within elixir which has a lot of processing going on.

(in 2.7)

My thoughts are as follows - if we request some small fixes, which 
can be workarounded, then let's spend RT's development in R3 area. 
Fix hard crashes and that's it for 2.7 release ...

I haven't used 2.7 yet.

haven't we seen enough of  "coming soon"? Why 2.7 one month before 
R3 is out?

I regarded 2.7 as kind of experimental release for R3 purposes ...

pekr, I could use stability updates. what if R3 won't be entirely 
stable until mid 2008? As far as we can see, the internal test period 
will only be 45 days. It's disheartening to tell customers that they 
have to deal with the crashes, because there's nothing to do about 
them.

yes, crashes, but my impression was, that RT tried to put some experiments 
into 2.7 ....

why 'switch change and all that discussion for 2.7? We waste valuable 
time. 2.6. was ok, it should be fixed, no new things tried ....

how do you feel about latest incarnation of your favorite tool, which 
introduced some new things? IMO it was not necessary ...

Well, that depends on the workload for Carl. If they have to test 
R3 stuff in R2.7, I'm fine with that. Besides I suspect that R2 won't 
be going away until at least a year from now. We simply don't know 
whether R3 will be stable enough in its first incarnation for production 
use. R2 is stable enough as long as you stay with smaller and simpler 
things that aren't graphics heavy. I tend to bend that rule a bit. 
:-)

that sounds like nonsense to me, Henrik ;-) What you say contradict 
itself.

I said that R2 is stable enough as long as you stick to small programs. 
I bend that rule.

do you need some experiments in 2.7? Or just what you need is as 
much stable branch of 2.x generation to live for some time?

that depends if the experiments affect stability. are the rebcode 
releases unusually unstable, because rebcode is included?

I have very harsh (read as in harsh on rebol) graphics applications 
and it never crashes anymore.  I find it odd that you are still getting 
those!

elixir creates several thousand line AGG blocks and it just hammers 
away.

(in near real-time, using thousands of liquid nodes  ;-)

but the main limiting factor is still view refresh speed (view and 
AGG that is)

Maxim, how long do your apps run?

but a part from async http closing of ports, I have not had a single 
crash of rebol in many months... a year? maybe.

it depends... retask is a very graphics heavy app and it can run 
for days without being ended.

but most apps I use are punctual in use, but that will change with 
elixir in a few weeks