World: r3wp

Any reason why I can't change this http://rebol.wik.is/Protocols/Secure_Smtp
from

			port/user: port/user
			port/pass: port/pass
			; do authn if needed

to
			; fix: only ask once if the user used set-net ask
			port/user: system/schemes/esmtp/user
			port/pass: system/schemes/esmtp/pass

so I don't have to fix set-net as well??

Why secure does not accept

Why secure does not accept block! argument?
secure [net allow] ;works
b: [net allow]
secure b ;fails

try  "secure :b"

it works! thanks a lot. But it is not documented in core.pdf

>> secure b
** Script Error: Invalid argument: b
** Near: secure b
b was treated as a word like 'allow   'ask ,
so use :b instead, to get its value

I see. but help text says it accepts word! and block! so it is confusing.

the feature of rebol that function can accept a word without evaluating 
it even if it's an action word makes rebol more nice to look at but 
at cases as this it can cause confusion

without it you would have to ad ' in this case, liek this >> foreach 
'item block [ print item ]

it's a little less nice looking but it would be more uniform and 
logical .. the way of "least surprise"


because now when you write your own functions liek map-each you don't 
know or make it look like foreach with or make all custom functions 
not accept active words which makes your code more systematic and 
easyer to understand , but then your function is not in style with 
rebol's foreach forall ..etc

my vote would be to not have the option to to do >> foreach item 
block [ pring item ] .. it would make a language more uniform , although 
a little less cool :)

I don't think it will be accepted.

it's just a "vote". I don't expect them to change the language

I vote nay.

and what is your reason for nay  :)

I like lit-word arguments - they are very useful. Uniformity is overrated.

Lit-word arguments allow you to use functions to fake the kind of 
stuff that other languages need syntax for.

In some ways, REBOL is more uniform than most languages (other than 
Lisp without macros or special forms).

How is this related to R2 releases?

yes, I agree that this makes rebol's ordinary functions look like 
other languages' syntax / special forms .. that's why I said it's 
cool and confusing :) .. I didn't notice this is only for releases 
.. I was replying to Endo

Yeah, we're trying to keep this group on topic. We haven't written 
a DevBase chat client for R2 yet, so the development discussions 
of R2 releases are often in this group. Some people don't like to 
use chat, even if not using it limits the extent to which they can 
participate in R2 development (they can't submit changes directly, 
for instance).

I wouldn't want to lose lit-words, but they do create issues at times.

moved to Core

If anybody has archived some historical versions of REBOL, I'd be 
grateful if you contact me by private message. Specifically, I'd 
be looking for 2.3.* for Linux x86 and 2.5.0 for Linux, but any version 
pre-2.3.0 would also be great.

I still have 2.3.0 for Win32 lying around, but the Linux versions 
seem to have vanished into bit nirvana :)

sparc ?

I think I have an old Solaris version around somewhere

Sure, if you have it handy :)

Especially if it is pre-2.3 :)

What year was 2.3 ?

I have Solaris versions with date stamps ( the date I copied them 
to the server ) of 2000, 2001, and 2003.  I think these versions 
were susceptible to creating zombie dns processes

http://rebolsolaris.s3.amazonaws.com/rebol-old
http://rebolsolaris.s3.amazonaws.com/rebol101
http://rebolsolaris.s3.amazonaws.com/rebolnew

Is it an idea to collect all the historic REBOL versions at one place? 
Like the Workbench Nostalgia:
http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/

It is, it would be nice to collect ALL REBOL "everything" in one 
place somewhere....

Google?

No :)


We need a place, page, website, (i.e. the original purpose of REBOLCentral) 
where a new person can come, and in a really nice layout EVERYTHING 
REBOL is there.

It points a person to everything else.


The Library,  the blogs, the knoweldge of this place, a REBOL "ReadMeFirst.txt" 
if you will.

We need that for long time and there's still nothing. I wonder if 
anybody's interested in this project or if everybody's happy with 
the way it is. When yes (everybody's happy now), I can understand 
why the 'outsiders' describe us as "elitists".

I don't think it's possible to gather all the matter and usefull 
links  in one page.

Rebol.org, Rebol.net and Rebol.com are enough to connect with the 
rest, to my mind.

I want access to old R2 versions to be able to push back the version 
compatibility of R2/Forward.

Might have them already though - going to check my archives. A list 
of the old platform numbers would be nice too.

Brian: http://www.rebol.com/release-archive.htmlshould have all 
of the old platform numbers

Graham: thanks, will check those Solaris binaries out to see what 
versions they are.

And I think I know where to retrieve my old binaries. Should have 
Linux (4.2)  REBOL/Core 2.3.0 by tomorrow.

Thanks, Andreas. It looks like R2/Forward should support 2.5.0 if 
it can :)

Graham, thanks a lot! rebol-old is 2.3.0, rebolnew is 2.5.0 and rebol101 
is 2.5.5. all /core for solaris sparc (10.1)

Heh, very nice! All of those binaries run as-is on a Sun Fire T1000 
:)

Just shows how long I've been using rebol for cgi work!

Confirming, HTTPS should work (after doing a net-install call) on 
Core 2.7.7.4.2?

The docs state that it is in View/2.7.7

http://www.rebol.com/docs/ssl.html