World: r3wp

imo Carl took the easier part - used OS threads, as those can share 
data. In the case of using processes, he would have to come with 
some IPC mechanism ... That is why I asked if 'launch is still there 
....

No, that's not the way Cheyenne works. All static HTTP requests are 
handled by only 1 process, the Cheyenne process. The "helper" tasks 
are only used to handle CGI or RSP scripts.

part=path

Sure, but do you think that e.g. 500 connections, handled by 1 rebol 
process running 500 threads will be better performer than 5 rebol 
processes handling each 100 threads?

imo those 5 separate processes get more time from OS ...

Doc;  Cheyenne is proving itself pretty worthy so far here at peoplecards.ca 
  Thanks.
Not delved too deep, but runs nice and smooth.

pekr, that depends on your os :)

Yes because context switching between processes is much more expensive 
than for threads

Brian, yes thanks, I saw your website, that's a cool concept. I''m 
glad that Cheyenne suits your needs.

actually I think that logically 5 separate tasks will handle more 
connections, as that is 5 tasks getting OS time, instead of 1 task 
getting OS time out of tens of other OS tasks running ... :-)

I hope I can do a good enough job on the actual site to keep REBOL 
is a nice light :)

I think that the OS does a fair dispatch of time between all threads 
(of same priority).

Doc - do you think that Rebollers will now turn to bad habbit = we 
start using 1 thread for 1 connection? I wonder how much more expensive 
is that in comparison to current multiplexing aproach, using just 
ports?

well, no. that's no logical consequence. both os processes and os 
threads compete for the same resources

ok, will look into scheduling. I thought that OS actually schedules 
between tasks, not caring how many threads your app does run.

I don't think so, because we had async before threading so we didn't 
took bad habits like java programmers ;-)

only that, at least with recent 2.6+ linux threading, processes are 
far more expensive to create and to switch between

Doc - so we can bet :-) I once again think, that RT will take easier 
path, so that they will rewrite protocols so that they use threads, 
no need to care about multiplexing :-)

It's too bad MS didn't support POSIX more fully.  A lo of threading 
issues got resolved
what? two decades ago.  :)

Petr, I don't think so, I guess Carl won't let that happen ;-)

Need to go, guys, maybe I'll came back here during the dinner so 
we can relay some questions to Carl.

Pekr, whether 1 task with 5 threads or 5 tasks (with only 1 thread 
each) is faster totally depends on your situation; your OS, your 
application (are you dependant on disk access or network access), 
bandwidth, timers, and OS task/process scheduling priority.

I missed more of the presentations than I saw, hopefully we will 
see them online somewhere soon.

Is there going to be a summary of the talks?

Reichart, we found someone that speaks faster than you. :P

 I need proof!  And, remember, I'm ALWAYS slowing my self down....I 
 consider this a challenge!  Oh, I can misspell at 120 wpm...

Was there a statement about there being video of the presentations?

Gabriele deduced that there would be since there were two cameras 
filming

FYI, this chat group is rebroadcast here: http://devcon2007.on-arran.com/chat/

I assumed nobody would mind as the group is labelled [web-public].

I'm cool.  Do you think anyone has said anything that shoud not be 
public?

Yes ... me :(

hehe

Is there an Agenda for today?

an Agenda for the remote user...

Rebolinth....The schedule is here:
http://devcon2007.rebdocproj.org/schedule.html
I don't know of any changes to it -- yet.

The conference starts in 10 minutes, at least in theory. Ladislav 
and I have arrived on time :-)

thanks for the info, Sunanda - the live stream is not there yet, 
right?

Rebolinth - there were 2 presentations missing yesterday - Reichart's, 
and Carl's "Embedding REBOL" ....

Sunanda - any other interesting info, said during Banquet? :-)

everyone is probably still enjoying there croissant avec le caffee, 
Enjoy ;-)

Hopefullly.

I still remember your sleepy face during the DevCon 2005 breakfasts 
:)

Reichart - how went your bike-ride yesterday? Is there big damage 
to your park? Or is it renewable?

face = faces not yours in particular Reichart

Reichart: did anyone told you the software/hardware used for the 
streaming?

lost about 350 hectacres.....very sad.

when does the show begin?

I do a 20km ride in about 45 minutes...love teh ride, but the whole 
valley was yellow with ash.

What's happened to the park?!

Fire

:(