World: r3wp

pekr, no, r2 console version is low priority. Carl wants to do R3 
GUI version next.

good to know GUI is next. It will help to further improve GUI ...

html version should be next ...

Graham, that would delay the GUI.

ok, concurrent then :)

The only way to truly speed up development would be to clone Carl.

So Carl1 could focus on rebdev, Carl2 could focus on tasks and Carl3 
could focus on modules. Carl4 would work on the GUI and ReBrowser.

just give us more docs and we can do this

that's really the point of collaboration

But can we provide stuff of high enough quality for him? That's the 
issue.

Pekr: I wasn't aware of the GUI stuff.

if that's an issue .. then he should close off all collaboration.

It is _the_ issue. Carl trusts no one unless you can work at his 
level. And that is also why the quality of R3 alpha feels like everyone 
elses release versions. :-)

Where should I report DevBase bugs?

I suppose the best place for now is CureCode.

When we use to block! on input data, most of the time we don't want 
 duplicate them if data are already a block.
(we use copy instead if we really want that behavior)

i think to block!, to string! , form and some other native conversions 
should never duplicate the data if they already have the correct 
format.

This, should limit the memory overhead in many scripts or mezzanines, 
and save us from coding many useless tests.

I agree Steeve.

it appears to me that most of mezzanines who have to do such conversions 
could be 1) shorter and faster 2) with less memory overhead

I agree with you and it seems to me that it would be a wise fix.

to block! copies data? if so - why? :-)

actually it copy them, don't know why...

>> z: [1]
== [1]
>> same? Z to block! z
== false

this would go against REBOL principles - copy only if needed. There 
was some change in regards to functions in relation to bind or something 
like that, but ...

Maybe this question has more to do with when to use to-block verses 
modifying it.

as Pekr stated, if we want a copy, we use copy

If I want my data to be the same, I do not apply an operation on 
them.)

You don't see the point...

to block! is vastely used to permit polymorphic input in functions.

even like form...

Graham, it seems the file commands are saved for elsewhere in rebdev, 
so he won't use them here.

PeterWood, report DevBase bugs in the !DevBase group here. There 
is no CureCode area for DevBase. Keep in mind:

- The current DevBase will be replaced soon. RebDev is a code name 
for the next DevBase.

- DevBase may be more updated than you think. Ask more in the !DevBase 
group.

Steeve, to-block is used in a lot of code to *copy* and/or convert 
to blocks. We depend on the copying behavior a lot.

Particularly in the mezzanines :)

I think he is saying that if the value is already a block why copy 
it.

I would love a separate function called AS-BLOCK that does convert 
if necessary else pass on. Maybe an AS native with a ton of wrappers, 
just like TO. That would solve the problem without losing the existing 
behavior.

now your talking....

BrianH, keep Steeve in mind if you get openings for more programmers 
in developement of R3.

I love the idea, just not changing TO :)

He has some pretty good experience.

That is clear :)

That is the whole point to the releases. We are getting ready for 
more developers :)

Cool

Temporary UI weirdness aside, it is really cool to have a chat client 
for REBOL right there *in* REBOL :)

I find out when it gets released.

ok Brian push the 'as development as far as you can, it will improve 
many mezzanines

*pull is better

Brian, what's R3's memory footprint cf R2 ?

for similar applications?

to-string does the same oas to-block.  even I have come to depend 
on the copying aspects of it, and I can assume that many others do 
to.

one question I have... does the object type also copy every series 
included like in R2 ?  that, IMHO one of the biggest regressions 
in rebol's history.   reversing the copy is impossible to do perfectly 
(scanning the new object, and attempting to link back the old series). 
plus it slows down rebol in a few ways.