World: r3wp

should be simple enough - there are only a few text changes in R3 
Draw/AGG

I do not want a DRAW block.

(just so that is clear)

ahh - so all panes to e GOB based?

Each valid date is going to be a real clickable button. It's all 
VID.

ok - then the init function would do the trick with the draw commands 
changed to poke data into button faces.

Hmm, yes, that might do.

unfortunately i cant do any testing as i dont have VID3.4 :)

that's OK, I'll adapt it. just put in some words that will allow 
me to tell the parts apart.

ill rewrite it as a standalone function that outputs a block with 
the values

ok

must go. I'll be back tomorrow.

Is there any way to get our hands on the latest Alpha build?  I would 
like to start to plan for migration to REBOL3 of some scripts and 
plan for REBOL3 in current work.  Especially regarding ports and 
series handling.

http://www.rebol.net/builds/rebol3/alpha/rebol29904031.zip

jan 08

Is that the latest?  I thought there was a bunch of port work since 
then?

latest public version ...

That is the latest public release, it does not include unicode support.

Why do you think we have been arguing for a newer public release??

ok - thanks Graham.  I think I already got that one.

Carl has promised a new release in "a few hours" in his latest blog.

cool - thanks PeterWoo

hmm ... heard it all before

To be more accurate "With luck, within the next few hours."

Yeah just read that last sentence on the blog.

Good, I may be able to make something cool for when it gets released.

I think it is worth remembering that it is an alpha version not a 
beta. It is still likely to change a lot before a beta is released.

I must have been grumbling louder than I thought if he could hear 
me in ukiah

Well I have to think at this point the ports would most likely be 
pretty much finished since ports are so fundamental to so many other 
things in REBOL.

For example, somebody stated that the GUI does not yet handle unicode 
strings.

Keep Grumbling Graham!  lol.

But the lower level Unicode stuff is done I think if I recall correctly.

Personally, I''m doubtful of the value of a new release at this stage 
other than a tangible display of progress. From all that has been 
told in public, this release will have lots of unfinished code and 
no doubts lots of loose ends.

Peter - half a piece of cake is better than none if you're ( intellectually 
) starving.

Actually, Paul brings up the value of a release at this point: We 
need R3 apps for development to continue at this stage. We are at 
a point where we need people to write stuff that uses what we have 
so far so we can shake out the bugs. To do that, we need to get what 
we have in the hands of more people.

It will be an exciting time. You won't be able to assume that your 
code will continue to run unchanged on future builds, but your code 
will influence the changes made in the future, and any bugs you run 
into will get fixed. It should be fun :)

Sounds like you're arguing for Carl to release now and not wait for 
his BBS script!

Does Carl ever get cognitive dissonance?

I would if he were talking about DevBase (and did), but I think you 
are overestimating just how long it will take to write. We aren't 
talking about a web forum here, it is clear from the blog that he 
is talking about a R3 GUI client. He can knock that out in no time.

3 hours?

Client to what?

We could write a server using the methods and code of DevBase - it 
wouldn't even have to run on R3 at first.

DevBase uses the database of AltME to store its data, has a working 
R/S interface, runs just fine. Change the data model and you would 
have a forum server. Servers are really very similar.

It doesn't even have to have a web interface at first, and then we 
could write one on Cheyenne.

Well, if that allows Doc to fix Cheyenne .. I'm all for that.

I think I'd like to a BBS based in the cloud eventually.

S3 for message storage, SDB for message tags and indices

SQS for chat.

By "eventually" and "not at first", I mean after the R3 release. 
We are already using Cheyenne for the bug tracker, and we will be 
putting in bug reports to that as well on the tracker itself. Bugs 
don't get fixed if they don't get noticed, and they don't get noticed 
if the tool isn't getting used. We need users for R3, and those users 
are apps.

I think we don't always realize that we are not the users on REBOL, 
our programs are. We just write the programs.