World: r3wp

And what when it does in a few weeks?

Carl has evaluated the alternatives and has seen that using them 
would cost him at least as much time, spent on competing products 
instead of REBOL

I could have told him that right away

Frankly that is nonsense.

And there we are again...

Now who's going around in circles, and who's making progress?

The other issue is that at the current stage of development, R3 needs 
apps. We need network apps to test the network infrastructure, GUI 
apps to test that, the list goes on. We don't need these to do a 
development release of R3, but we need to do a development release 
of R3 to get these apps made. You didn't think that Carl was going 
to delay the R3 release to write a forum, did you?

Carl is a guy who won't drink wine unless he grows it himself.  Period.

And that, presumably, is why you chose REBOL all those years ago

Nope.

I'm still purchasing software ...

Well, it is for me

Graham, Carl is not making wine here, he is making a tool. You need 
to use a tool during the development process in order to be sure 
your tool works.

It is the only way to further the design.

People are going to use REBOL to write forum software, or the many 
applications that do the same thing, technologically speaking. We 
will need to have test apps of that nature to make sure that apps 
of that kind will work. The reason that tool-builders use their own 
tools during their development process is to make sure that their 
tools work, and to get ideas. That is why other programming languages 
use tools built in those programming languages.

he should decide to write something else.

like Cheyenne ...

there's nothing compelling about forum software ...

The point is to get the release out now so *other* people can test 
it.

Then why did we have such a huge discussion about a good one?

we didn't ...

we had 4 suggestions... they're all pretty much the same

We did, in the R3 alpha world. I haven't even caught up with it

I was in that discussion ... so I know.  I suggest you read before 
commenting.

Indeed they're all the same in that they suck

No, Doc should write Cheyenne, that's what the release is for. I 
still don't get where you thought that Carl was going to delay the 
development release to write some forum software. The whole reason 
for the release is to get R3 out to the community, so that others 
can write this stuff.

So, what.

So, Brian what was this 5 points need to be settled before we release 
business?

Carl is just putting off the forum software until after the release, 
just like the DevBase rewrite.

Windows sucks .. many of us use it before there's nothing better.

The point has been settled - that doesn't mean that the software 
needs to be in place ahead of time.

The only software that needs to be in place is in place already.

So, we see a release today?

Go back to the alpha world and read. Remember that this is a US holiday 
weekend.

I have already had to skip a night of sleep because of the holiday 
overhead, and even then haven't had time to do any REBOL work. You 
are picking the wrong time of year to get impatient.

Take it easy, Brian, to fight another day :-)

Fortunately it wasn't last night :)

Carl is saying that he wants to write the BBS because the one we 
decided on ... phpBB or vB ... never appeared.

It never appeared because the server that was promised to me never 
appeared.

Nothing new ... just history recycling itself.

And Carl's arguments are flawed.

No matter ... R3 is irrelevant to what I do ... just trying to help 
move things along.

wow fight !!!

Just were are the non web public places for R3 discussions?  Are 
those only open to those in the R3 alpha group?

it seems

it's an another world in Altme

you must have the password and accept to be raped by the gurus

*smile* no fear here, they would find I'm old and thick skinned, 
a scary combination!

you could be disapointed, they are a little pervert

Just for the record, the Alpha group is noting but debate on the 
best way to do things....very focused, very dry.