World: r3wp

In fact both. I worked on a multi-user contact management application 
that connects to a SQL database (mysql and sql-server). There are 
some main areas I want to investigate into : DB access (Trebase could 
be a sexy alternative to other db engine), GUI and business logic 
processing. In the last area, I think that rewrite some code in R3 
can produce more elegant and more efficient program. I'm one of the 
guy who used hash! datatype ;-)

OK I also have to admit that I cannot wait to play with a beta release.

Karim, then I think it is a bit preliminary to consider porting:


- mysql, postgress - while those schemes are built upon raw TCP R2 
stack as a schemes, someone would have to port them to async R3 networking 
kernel

- sqlite - requires mostly DLL access. There is no DLL access in 
R3 and maybe there will not be one like we know it in R2. Carl is 
not decided yet, if we go via DLL layer like in R2, or via standardised 
plug-in interface, which is not ready though, as it needs modules, 
which are not ready either

- GUI - Gabriele was working on new VID. It is now called VID 3.3 
(third prototype). It is still not complete. But - Carl is trying 
to follow slightly different obectives, so he decided to rewrite 
it and bring us VID 3.4 prototype (probably called GIDI)

- View, unless Cyphre fixes some harsh bugs in its kernel, is pretty 
much buggy and makes VID3.3 crash in few secs to minutes.

That is the reality. I will try to talk to Carl, so maybe we will 
be able to plan on next release and define featureset, which gets 
completed and released.

OK. Thank you for the informations. I think the release notes of 
next public version needs to define what can change and what's will 
remain quite the same until the beta or final release. Then it will 
be easier tu us to know on what we can focus.

Assume that much of it can change, though most of what has been backported 
to R2.7.6 is not likely to change much.

Karim .. do you have some screenshots or a demo of your CRM?

Does anyone know anything internal about R3 development? I am really 
disappointed, we are down to 0 - 2 persons on r3-alpha channel per 
day. That is really disappointing ...

I noticed that too.  Creepy quiet.  I don't think it's disappointing 
(yet) ... feels more like a calm before the storm.

can't chat and code at the same time, I think. ;-)

hey, there's even a comment on the wildfire blog entry from Carl 
that says: "Sorry that I do not have time to do more -- too busy 
with work (REBOL Tech)."

In the meantime I re-read port documentation, and try to study http 
scheme, but this is hardly usefull for the community, as I am not 
the one able to bring in e.g. ftp or other scheme anyway :-)

suits me well. won't have time for R3 work until July anyway. :-)

I have 75% of a dict:// scheme written.  (First thing I did when 
I got in on the alpha.  Took about 6 hours.  Then I got confused 
on the new I/O completion rules.  Haven't looked at it since.)  Soon. 
 I use the R2 dict-demo all the time now.  Nothing beats using the 
REBOL console as a dictionary/thesaurus.  From using KDE, there are 
all kinds of schemes on the wishlist.

Well, Carl effectively killed Gabriele's VID3 by saying he was changing 
it ... and so we wait.

The bad thing is, that while we could have more than one UI, Gabriele 
does not seem interested in finishing it, and noone apart him is 
probably technically skilled to finish it ....

There's no point in finishing VID3 if VID3.4 functionality strongly 
overlaps, so we'll have to wait and see whether it does. If it does 
not, then VID3 can be finished as a separate project.

That assumes that the technical ability (of which there is lots) 
and the programmer time (of which there is little) is available.

not just that, it usually has to be the same person starting it and 
finishing it. that's why many open source projects fail. :-)

What happened to Cyphre?  I thouht he was involved in some of that 
stuff?  He always had the coolest REBOL View apps.

He's working on QTask.

He works with Reichart?

yes, I believe he does.

ahhh, I didn't know that.

Gabriele has worked on QTask as well, but I don't know if he's done 
with his stuff yet.

So who all is working on R3 right now?  What does the team consist 
of?

I'm pretty sure Carl is very deep into VID design now

So VID is the last major hurdle before release?

I think there are many hurdles

Carl is at this very moment the only one working on it, so we're 
waiting for VID3.4. Once the prototype is out and evaluated we can 
move to the next hurdle.

which is probably modules. then tasks.

What other hurdles are we expecting and/or what is the projected 
release timeframe?

There is no ETA

Never did like that type of schedule.

I've heard rumors that it has to be before the end of 2008. But they 
are just rumors. :-)

I'll take that timeframe.

Other hurdles are modules, the open host interface, plug-ins, schemes, 
etcetera

I was thinking the earliest to be at least next summer.

well, we had a ridiculous timeframe set up last year. it did not 
hold up one bit, so usually no deadlines are put up.

(beta period was one month. riight. :-))

I don't see how Carl has time with the ham radio hobby and wine making 
and a ranch to run etc... - let alone the day to day running of RT.

Sometimes things do move a little too slow. We're all little threads 
waiting for that Carl-thread to complete, so we can move on.

heh - yes indeed.

There's plenty to work on in advance

You mean for the team to work on and it sounds like they are busy 
with other stuff.

The problem for me is keeping little human threads scheduled to those 
activities, instead of activities conflicting with R3

No, there's plenty to work on for us in preparation of R3

I've been working with REBOL since 98 and gotten use to their schedules. 
 This is nothing new.

Yeah, unfortunately

We do have some very specific things that need to be done, such as 
FTP and making other protocols and REBOL/Services (which has been 
ported now). I need to get VID3.4 done, so I can work on GUI and 
graphics.