World: r3wp

AFAIK the plug-in interface is not yet finalized so it is too early 
to discuss ho this will be exactly exposed.


But there are more things to consider than the blitting. If you do 
SW redered graphics you need to render into the  backbuffer in the 
main memory then you transfer block(s) sing a blit to the gfx card. 
If you do HW accelerated graphics you need to transfer all bitmaps 
into the gfx card memory first..also you are limited by the OpenGL 
2D functionality (which is not so flexible and pixel perfect as for 
example AGG implemntation). Also setting pixels directly in gfx card 
memory is possible but this is surprisingly the slowest way to dorendering! 
Why? Because fur current PC HW bus architecture is such transfer 
very expensive operation comparing to moving one big block of data.

So as you can see all this (and lot of other issues) needs to be 
considered not to mention that the solution should be as much as 
compatible on most of platforms.

Once the beta is released it will give us good picture how to make 
the gfx system even more optimized and extensible.

(sorry for the typos..writing quickly ...now back to work ;))

There were three level of plug-ins mentioned in the past - browser 
plug-in, language plug-ins (as discussed at DevCon) and View rendering 
plug-ins (loaders/savers etc.) - I was talking about the third one, 
but not sure if those are not the same as language plug-ins ...

Do we need /dup refinement for APPEND, like we have with INSERT?

geomol, already there

Why aren't guys like Geomol already in? I mean - I don't want to 
be there, I was in 3 months testing period in my new job and had 
no time to test etc., but Geomol seems to be actively developing. 
I think such ppl could be there in the next wave ;-)

Pekr, I'm waiting for the beta at least. I'm too busy to be in there 
yet. I have private contact with Carl, so I could just ask him, if 
I wanted to.

ok, did not know that ....

from the outer pov, you seem to be rebolling - re your BASIC dialect 
...

Pekr, yes I'm rebolling quite a lot these days! :-) The BASIC dialect 
is done in my spare time. At work I'm doing a COBOL formatter in 
REBOL as we speak.

COBOL? Gee, who uses COBOL still? :-)

I do remember COBOL on some old CICS systems or so we had at my past 
company :-)

Still one of the most used langauges, if not THE most. Lots of COBOL 
code in big coorporations around the world.

I think a lot of banks use COBOL

Interesting. Because the most dominant ERP is probably SAP, which 
has two containers, ABAP and JAVA, but I think that ABAP is some 
99% .... anyway, probably off-topic here :-)

Yes, probably most banks, insurance, car manufactors, etc etc.

when I hear COBOL, I imagine those old green monochrome display terminals 
:-)

hmm ... REBOL fits the scheme ... the name REBOL sounds like REnewed 
coBOL :-)

:-)

Check some of the success stories from one COBOL solution company:
http://www.acucorp.com/company/success/

You could steal them to REBOL though. Starting with some wrappers, 
doing similar screens as VID skin, etc. :-) That could be good commercial 
enterprise REBOL start :-)

hehe, just reading Alianz success story. Those bank guys don't fear 
risking choosing non-traditional aproach. They chose AcuCobol with 
its own file system as a storage instead of relational database. 
Those IT ppl must be crazy, to run such a big house ... well, without 
SAP and Oracle :-)

Naa, not so crazy. The Vision file system used in AcuCobol is really 
really simple. Not much can go wrong, as with a huge database. And 
it's very fast.

does it have SQL interface to it? :-)

I'm not sure, maybe with Acu4GL (or is that the other way around!?). 
I haven't got experience.

now as REBOL will be there in form of both DLL and .so, we could 
try to "merge" rebol with some technology, to see how it works out. 
Then you could create specific dialects, which could help programmers/users 
life easier. Such a dialect would generate target code ...

Look under "Solutions/Data Access" at  Acus homepage. You'll find 
things like "Acu4GL" and "AcuSQL".

Pekr, good ideas! I'm a free-lancer, so find someone to fund the 
development and then contract me.

And I am the chief of IT of one supplementary pharmacy company :-)

Feel free to contact me in private, if you have contract work to 
be done involving REBOL.

Of course, currently we have primitive portal, home made, IIS, MSSQL 
and plenty of code ... I expect having SAP or WebSphere portal here 
.... I will think about possibility of integration and making life 
easier :-) It is still preliminary though, as having R3 in dll or 
so form is not enough - you have to somehow wrap other rebol-2-OS 
parts, etc.

my PPL never heard of REBOL. My plan is to move them to stronger 
portal, and I hope REBOL takes off in the future. We are currently 
too MS-centric (excluding SAP and Ixtent DMS). But in general - we 
should more think about such aproach with R3. IT has lots of new 
abilities for deployment. The best thing would be to have REBOL-in-JAVA 
imo, although that might be slow, dunno ....

So, very very theoretically, today is the day? :-) If there is no 
release for another let's say 2 - 3 weeks, maybe at least preliminary 
access to docs could be allowed? well, or another VID screenshot? 
:-)

Or maybe i nice security blanket with a REBOL logo? ;-)

security blanket with a REBOL logo? Don't understand :-)

lol Find a dictionary! :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_blanket

That's it. :-)

I have a rebol small flag somewhere, and T-shirt too ....

and and Amiga boing ball, official :-)

Ah, then you're in good company and doesn't need the security blanket 
so much. :-)

When I was doing Smalltalk+rules at  a .net Insurance firm in Cleveland 
 I had a lot of COBOL/DB2 folks my own age to kibbutz with ... in 
the midst of young people doing Javascript and C#.  So why not Rebol 
?

Could someone please ask Carl for the status update? I think that 
those not having access to alpha world are somehow excluded from 
being informed, I at least found the docs :-) Last blog is more than 
one month old. I think that at current stage ppl would more appreciate 
some table of features withcolumn showing estimated percentage of 
completness, than being embarged from any info on the development 
state.

I am not speaking for Rebol or Carl, but I do know that he and the 
team have been wonderfully busy, have been getting a LOT done, and 
they are very close to being complete.  Any snide comments will be 
rewarded with complete silence from me…

Reichart - your words about snideness are snide itself

I was taught, that the most important thing in managing things is 
to talk ... - communication

No Pekr, that is not snideness....there is no humour or sarcasm in 
my statement...

If you know how to correctly communicate thing, you may dare to even 
more pospone your products, and ppl will understand your reasoning. 
My opinion is, that historically, RT is not best at its communication. 
That is why they imo need marketing manager and why they are looking 
for one probably.

If there is no humor or sarkasm, then your statement prevents others 
from posting whatever they want, if they want to hear your reaction 
:-) One communication manager told me, that if ppl are prevented 
to speak as they feel, that is already sign of non-democratic aproach 
:-) That is not to your statement exactly, but in general. E.g. example 
- After 11/9, if you even dared to ask publicly - but was foreign 
policy of US correct? You were automatically accused of supporting 
terrorism. One guy was even brought to court, which dismissed the 
case as being paranoid :-)

So, now I know, that the team is close to release. Do other hundreds 
of rebollers who are not here know too?

And that was my point.