World: r3wp

Ladislav, I'd like to make your article on Identity into a cookbook 
recipe, so it gets an official listing in the cookbooks list, so 
people can find it. Where do you think it would fit on this page:

http://www.rebol.net/cookbooks/

arg yeah rebol plugin is important and it's a bad thing if people 
considers it as a malware T__T

Recent Flash releases are the thing to beat. If we aren't at least 
as secure as Flash, consider R3 to be malware.

impossible cause rebol is nice like a puppy :P

Remember what puppies can be trained to do :(

well ... if you want to screw Pcs why using rebol anything else is 
 already enought to screw a poor PC

I mean Vb script for example lol ... well ...

Not my PC :)

Mine neithere i removed VB from my windows :P

i have the same XP since 2002 ... T___T Microsoft is borring

Running a vbscript is not the same thing as running a vbscript in 
a browser. Browsers are for running malware, hopefully without getting 
caught by it. Hence the sandboxing, security restrictions, etc.

brianH the solution is to create our own kick ass browser in rebol 
 :P

It's on my todo list, no html though.

this way no need of having to maintain 3 x3 rebol plugins ... lot 
of saved  time for Carl i will say

I think ReBrowse will become more important than a browser plugin.

There's no point to creating a web browser, even a kick-ass one. 
Look at Chrome: It is better in almost every way, but it only has 
< 2% market share (when last I checked). If you create a new browser, 
people will still use their old, crappy IE or Firefox.

That's why ReBrowse won't be a web (html) browser.

Henrik: rebrowse vs plugin.... entirely different targets.

BrianH ... when what screw the fucking browser statistics is the 
fact 95%  of computers are wndows based and 100% of them comes with 
IE ...

but that doesn't means I use it (I use chrome, opera and firefox)

and unless the web gets replaced by rebol, the plugin will always 
be more important to "the industry" I mean, to get others to use 
rebol in THEIR environment.  which is the biggest weak spot of rebol. 
 it is Hermetic.

Maxim web replaced by rebol yeah that's the idea brillant  ^^

you can't tell a company that invested several years to start over 
from scratch.  it has to be able to migrate without changing the 
habits... rebol has to sink into the other model first, then slowly, 
if it worth it, people will start putting rebol in the center and 
eventually, something like rebrowse can replace the current framework 
or maybe even live besides it while the migration takes place.

I've suffered of trying to get rebol INTO companies and it never 
works.  there is too much ground work to do, it costs a lot of money.

a few throw-away utilities isn't the same as building the company 
IT over rebol.  its an entirely different ball-game.

yes we can :P YES WE CAN :P and i'm sure all of them will really 
like to do it ;P

the whole IT industry -> But damn but how but ... buuuuuuuuut so 
many years spent doing borring things now that we discovered rebol 
our world have changed !

R3, will allow us (finally) to merge rebol INTO other stuff, so it 
can become the controler for lower logic, but when that starts, people 
will usually start writting everything in rebol... cause its just 
plain productive.

like Lua .... but ppl will say but Lua already do it and it's better 
damn people ...

Ever tried to use rebol in a company that has only .net, python, 
or java code?  good luck.  it takes weeks before you can use most 
of the DB stuff they have built up, because there are sooo many modules 
out there, and they have huge frameworks, which actually DO more 
stuff than rebol .  rebuilding those libs is not even always possible....

ex  integrating DirectX/OpenGL into view... nope.  loading dll classes... 
nope... etc, etc, etc.

but R3 will change all that  :-)

http://www.rebol.net/r3blogs/0194.html

SELECT/SKIP behavior discussion needed now.

comment posted i don't know if that will make any sens ...

select/skip b 3 returning 20  only is an aberation ... that's not 
what we expect ...

It's what I expected, but I've never used SELECT/skip in R2. The 
R2 behavior sounds better to me.

It sounds silly, but after 9 years there are still parts of REBOL 
I've never used :(

but the skip becomes pretty useless, as you can get the inner records 
of the skip.

BrianH hum same for me ...

the /skip in many functions are implied records... and the reason 
they are there... not getting the record as a return values... is 
an oxymoron IMHO

I still discover new functions after 9 years too  :-)

Maxim, are you in favor of the R2 behavior or the current R3 behavior? 
Or something else?

R2

the R3 return sort of alleviates the point of the /SKIP refinement 
no?

So am I. I wasn't saying I preferred it, just that I expected it. 
I think this is why I've never used select/skip :(

The R2 method is much more flexible. The R3 method is identical to 
"first select/skip", and I doubt there would be that much gained 
by having a specific alternative function for the R3 method.

I prefer the R2 method
 - I bet noone expected me to ever say that :)

BrianH, not working much with flat blocks, eh?

its like sort/skip there is a simple consistency in the implied records 
which I always like... other languages will have a framework just 
for that...

brian: LOL