World: r3wp

And please stop talking about GPL in this context. It has nothing 
to do with Boron

Sorry, Peter was wondering why people in the REBOL community didn't 
adopt Boron. Aside from REBOL being good enough, licensing was why. 
I have no reason to not use a *GPL product as a black box - it's 
looking at the source that can be a problem.

You're contradicting yourself

Not really. The main way that I learn a programming platform is to 
view the source, though on platforms where the source is not available 
(as for proprietary platforms like Delphi) or too complex to be of 
use (C++ compilers, office suites, most operating systems) then I 
try to go by the docs and experimentation. If I want to contribute, 
I need to see the source. However, if I learn anything by looking 
at the source, I have to be careful about how I apply that knowledge 
elsewhere if I might violate a license by doing so. So I use Linux, 
Java, OpenOffice and GCC like they are black boxes with no sources 
available, only because they are useful enough to be worth using 
without really learning from them. I wish I could contribute to Boron, 
but it might interfere with my ability to contribute to REBOL and 
Red. And I already have a good enough semi-black box in R3.

ah, I thought boron is GPL. I reacted to MAX's "if it wasn't GPL 
it might already have supplanted R3 years ago."

Yes, this distinction should be continued to be pushed

What would it take to change the license or Boron from LGPL (which 
has linking restrictions) to Classpath (which doesn't)?

Keep in mind that something like encapping is the closest that REBOL 
has to linking. Is there something like encapping for Boron?

Obvious: convince Karl

Boron is a library, so encapping would be writing your own host for 
it, so the LGPL library stays separate

Quite like R3

The library is always linked dynamically, as with R3 hostkit apps?

I suppose you could link statically, but you don't want that if you 
don't want to be LGPL compatible. Although you could do it if you 
distribute your object files for relinking

Does Boron have mezzanine code? Is it licensed differently?

As far as I know that's also LGPL

OK, so I could use Boron as a black box if necessary - good to know 
:)

Right, exactly like REBOL, for your personal goals

Like REBOL without the source function or hostkit source, but basically 
yes.

The R3 host kit source will taint you more, because it's commercial

I never saw the REBOL mezzanines be declared PD, either

Nope, but I wrote most of the R3 mezzanines and all of the recent 
changes to the R2 ones, and my contributions were either MIT licensed 
or contributed under the condition that they be open sourced under 
a permissive license - no copyright transfer agreed to. And the host 
code is in the open portion of R3 - I haven't seen any closed source.

I don't have access to the r3lib source either for the same reason.

Looking at the R2 mezzanines has already tainted you, and the fact 
that you can see the source of the R3 host kit doesn't mean that 
it's open source - it isn't

Brian, you could always ask Karl for permission to look at the sources 
and not have you own worked "tainted" by doing so. Of course, he 
may say no. On the other hand, there is no harm in asking.

Brian, your "see the source" fear is silly. Sure, there's a lot of 
copyright terror in the USA, but the idea that the authors of Boron 
would sue you because you wrote similar code elsewere is ridiculous.


Also, copyright covers verbatim text, not ideas. You can use what 
you learn in any way you wish, this is not about patents.

Hi, I am interested into building an maintaining documentation for 
those programming languages based on REBOL.
It would be nice to have a DOCBASE for them.
What I search is:
- Someone ABLE to SETUP the Linux and the Wiki Software
- Someone which would share with me the cost of hosting.
Do you like the idea ?
Write me at [giuseppe-:-chillemi-:-eu]

Hi, I can setup mediawiki (or any other) on my web site: http://www.moldibi.com
which is up for 7-8 years. Its hosted on hostgator. I have unlimited 
storage / MySQL DB / bandwidth etc.

But I only have 1 domain name. If it is ok I can create any number 
of subdomains like world.moldibi.com or red.moldibi.com and give 
you a FTP account if necessary.

I've upgraded Boron on http://tryrebol.esperconsultancy.nlto the 
latest 0.2.3