World: r3wp

He hangs on and engages the community

Ah. But I am not Steve.

True, me neither

Maybe Anton will take his role.

*Jaime* dissapears leaving some blue smoke track.

On the interest in Orca. As I mentioned before, Orca is included 
in Syllable 0.6.1. In that form, many thousands of copies have been 
distributed already all over the world. We're currently up to about 
4500 downloads of the install CD, so those would presumably be people 
really running the system, 2300 live CDs and an unknown number of 
VMware images, which have been very popular in the past. It's also 
in the shops on the DVD version of Linux Format magazine. I don't 
know how big the DVD part of its circulation is, but it must be many 
thousands

Now not many of those Syllable users would currently be using Orca, 
but starting with the next Syllable release I am writing and rewriting 
system tools in Orca, so basically all future Syllable users would 
be using Orca. The next step of course is to make the developers 
among them aware of it

Hmmmm... :)

Trojan horse approach?

You want to make Orca do nasty things? ;-)

that is sure to get someones atttention

Seeing that the Orca Campfire chat is now closed, some people here 
would like an Orca world and I'm running a number of AltME worlds 
anyway, I started one. If you would like an account, ask me here, 
or log in as guest. The world name is Orca and the guest password 
is guest

So next I would like to know how to update those afore-mentioned 
Orca webpages with the new Orca direction.

No need to mention your mail address if it's in your account information 
here

Why, when we have the Orca group here ?

We should seriously think about a name change. There is confusion 
with other Orcas. (Everybody seems to like this name.) Eg.
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/

Yes, there are two other Orca languages

Kaj, also, we can get web published here very easily if/when we want.

Rolca :-)

lober?

yeah, why not ....

OpenRebol

R#, R2 (rebol too)

vote against R2

oREBOL (aka OpenRebol) is a good one ...

People have mentioned that we're the guest of RT here. Although Carl 
is fairly OK with clone development now, we're still a competitor, 
so a separate world may be the polite thing to do. At least I'm not 
sure it would be appreciated to make this group web public

OBOL?

open rebol is good name oREBOL may suggest object oriented ...

Yes, short form when we need it, kind of a standard shortened name 
convention.

kaj: I would foresee a problem when/if Orca would become so powerful 
that it can rival/surpass /Command functionality.

OpenRebol is unambiguous.

decided - OpenREBOL, oREBOL shortened ... :-)

We are not a competitor at all.

remember to tell Jaime :-)

You probably know how Carl has thought about that in the past

as in ice hockey, some playerd so play on so called farms ... we 
are RT's farm ... if the like something, they can use it, no? :-)

players do play ...

No, RT can't use it, because Orca is LGPL

LGPL? Why that? Why not BSD? Uh .... so much about openess :-)

And that suggests that we are a competitor

Ask Karl

yeah :-( but in a way it would be good, because Rebol itself is not 
GPL friendly. OpenRebol would cover GPL friendly areas.

But that's only the code base, Kaj. We are growing the language.

The simple fact for RT is that they can't use Orca code

Ok, then, is it possible to change the Orca license to BSD ?   So 
it would be BSDRebol ?

That's in Karl's hands

Karl's abandoning it, so perhaps he wouldn't mind.

Just one way to find out

Let's to it.

The other issue is that Karl is continuing with Thune. That's going 
to be the first place to get code from to integrate with Orca, and 
that would make it LGPL again