World: r3wp

not trying to read too much into signs awailable - but Heather Arrington 
of Vital Needs is removed from the conference schedule and all REBOL 
related info from their website vanished, while just few months ago 
they praised REBOL as an enabling technology in various documents 
on their website ... strange ...

Up to 5 users can join me now to test the Breeze meeting room on 
http://breeze62116255.emea.breezecentral.com/meetingdevcon2005

SIgn in as guest and pick a nickname

for the breeze watchers: howdy from a shared altme

Can I join ?

You can, as guest.

Although we just deciced that it is a good idea, but not for Devcon.

Erk, Did not have time !!

I think it's too short to use it. It seems to need practice.
Chat window is ridiculous.

It's there a whay to see the conference from internet ? will there 
be a live chat ? i would REALLY like that.

BTW breeze seems the perfect tool but its expensive too

It should. But test show limited reliability.

LAST YEAR, SURFNET HAD RELAY THE STREAM, AND THIS YEAR ?

what do you mean ? don't they have webcams and broadband in itally 
?

haa.... we people in sub development countrys would like a bit of 
the real wourld shine some cheap and creapy videostream would do 
....

We need a Breeze implemented in REBOL

not too impressive, me thinks

except for sound and camera, this could be done easily in REBOL

But that's the point, we need sound and camera, and better platform 
integration

We have this great environment in which we can do anything, but trying 
to go outside we run into walls

rebol Plugin could work for this but again there's the plaform issue, 
i thing this filed its outside rebol capabilities interaction w/hardware 
sounds a bit crazy in reb-world.

Breeze, to much noise to few nutts, again the tool looks graphicaly 
impressive, how much is this customisable and the costs of the service 
leave out too many cuestions to me. im thinkig macromedia products 
are not what they where a couple of years ago, now its more like 
a bloat.

I know there are problems with the plugin regarding multiple instances 
or refreshes... but Breeze didn't load on my unaltered installation 
of Firefox either.  Also, being a hockey fan I check www.nhl.com 
fairly regularly, but must switch to IE cause the menu system doesn't 
work outside of IE.  Is this the web-developers fault or just the 
web in general?  Too fragmanted with too many people with their own 
agendas!

I like the Webservices smart client world best and if Rebol can make 
a multiple platform impact here, we have our killer application/framework.

a reminder for those flying over for DevCon.


Please do not tell the immigration officer or customs officer that 
you are here
- for 'rebel' conference
- to change the world
- for 'X' Internet
- and other terms that even geeks may have problems understanding

:)

Brock, as a company that is working very hard to make everything 
compatible between all the browser I can tell you that what it comes 
down to is that there are rules, but each browser company (or group) 
interprets the rules slightly differently.


The simplest example of goes wrong the most are the "assumptions." 
 EI for example will except <center> to mean center the page, and 
center pretty much everything until you turn </center> off.  


But Firefox follows the letter of the rules, and expects each object, 
like a table, to have its own <center> tags.


This is a simple visual example, it gets worse when JavaScript enters 
the picture.  Safari for example DEMANDS everything ending in a ";" 
or it simply ignores stuff.

They are almost always easy fixes, but time consuming.


Maarten, shame that Breeze will not work.  I looked at Breeze and 
voted not to use it to do a Rebol lesson.  Looked great on their 
page, but I read a lot of similar comments elsewhere on the web that 
it simply failed for too many people.  I was hoping that someone 
smart in this group would know what we could use both to solve our 
DevCon needs and the Rebol Newbie Lesson needs.


We need a way to broad cast at least one video signal, and allow 
moderated chat in the same environment for people all over the world. 
 This should be easier.  I have an Idea that might work, but will 
require some research.  I might just do this in Qtask.  Then anyone 
can log in from anywhere, talk in a group, have sub topics.  All 
we have to add is video streaming (which is actually pretty easy 
for us).  The trick is setup up the incoming real time stream, which 
I was not planning to do for a while.

Reichart: I was testing to see if this could work; I am sad that 
it doesn't work for many people. The conecpt and interface design 
is good though, and it would have been a great way to make a subset 
of the conference virtually accessible for the rest.

What we really want is a cross-over between Skype (with vskype) and 
AltMe

Does anyone know, what resolution will be used on the projector at 
DevCon?

Important note: be aware of pickpocketers. They seem to like tourists 
a lot! Keep your things safe. :)

OK, how do we not look like tourists in Italy? :-)

Reichart:  Yes, I am aware of the company specific differences in 
interpretting or implementing the rules.  Thus my point.  If you 
can create a stand-alone application that is cross-platform and uses 
the internet for content and application updates in a transparent 
fashion, you have removed the middle-man and can eliminate the problems 
of the browser from the equation.

Use the internet purely to allow people to find your app, and once 
found, they should in theory never have to go back to the site.

In theory...

Kaj, I think you just move your arms all about when you are talking, 
and wear a pin stripe suit.

It's a pity that you won't be there to see it

Tomorrow I'm going to see if my pin stripe suit is back from the 
cleaner

more ideas, a pinky ring, fancy cigarettes, a silk hankerchief in 
your breast pocket, and scowl a lot.  (if you don't look Italian, 
at least you might scare them off.)

(a violin case is a necessary accessory)

Maybe I should take an ex. She had Sicilian blood

She claimed she was descended from the one who set the prisoners 
free on Sicily, indirectly creating the mafia

If you do get pickpocketed, then you can call her in for reinforcements.

Yeah, she was doing security :-)

Projector: Mario told me he used it at 1024x768, so that works, but 
he's not sure if it works at 1280x1024 too.

usually it does work up to 1600x1200 or so ... the problem lays otherwise 
- the picture is shrinked (if that is the correct term). It  is like 
with LCD - only one resolution is native ...

yes, the issue is the sampling frequency on the signal (dunno if 
it is digital, i guess not)

1024x768 is good!

about reskinning the clock, I can't make it.... I'm too tied up in 
another project right now

Gabriele's live stream (probably):
http://www.colellachiara.com/devcon05/live.html

Rome currently GMT +2 hours - which makes it starting at 7pm Friday 
my time.  Much easier than before :)

mid day for me...


which means I get to see probably the first presentation and miss 
the rest as I tend to family matters