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i think you should find flights for both. they are the biggest airports 
in italy. so the decision about landing to rome is mainly if you 
wish to visit the city and then go to milan (i.e. by train, so you 
have the chance to see almost all italy)

if there are enough people interested in visiting rome, we could 
organize and all stay in the same hotel, then take the same train 
to milan. i'd be with you and we could get tickets etc. in advance. 
just an idea...

How does the sending of the DevCon form work. There's written it 
will be send via e-mail. When I use Opera (my mailer) it just opens 
the empty mailer and the IE wants to use Outlook what's not configured. 
Is there another way to send the Survey without making it too hard 
for you Gabriele ? (copy the information in the mail ....)

REBOL romers?

Ammon, I seriously doubt I have the money to pay for a trip to Italy. 
 its a trip worth a few thousand dollars.

doh, pressed wrong Ctrl key !!! was not meant to be sent here... 
but the damage is done...  :-)

from the maillist:

Hello all,

  http://www.colellachiara.com/devcon05/survey.html

Regards,
  Gabriele.

Michael: form result should go to email automatically. you can send 
me a mail manually if you want. if there's a problem for enough people 
with the email form, i'll look into setting up a cgi.

Should use the plugin!

btw - what is your suggestion? Rome or Milano? I was not in either 
...

Graham: i've been thinking a lot about how to make it so that 1) 
it could be done in a couple mins 2) could be accessed by anyone, 
even without rebol or plugin. this seemed like the simplest and most 
accessible way. which shows that the web is too complicated.

petr: Milano is closer to the place where the devcon is. from Roma 
you have to travel across half Italy. so, if you have a limited time, 
Milano is best. while if you have enough time and want to take the 
chance to visit italy, you may prefer Roma.

Milano is more a "business" kind of city. Roma is probably more interesting 
from a tourist point of view. but it really depends. Milano can be 
very interesting too.

i think we should consider Roma only if we manage to get an arganized 
group there. that would mean a lot of fun.

*organized

btw, everyone feel free to submit the form even if you are not sure 
about your answers. it's just getting a mail to me so if you change 
idea you can just send me another one or send me a note manually.

Accessed without Rebol ?  I wonder if you *really* believe someone 
who does not have rebol installed would be coming to a devcon!

you may be on a pc without rebol. but - why not? ;)

so, ok, let's write a little script.

I suspect that the number of people who would be interested in going, 
and don't have rebol installed, are far outweighed by those that 
do, and don't read english.

You don't need cgi either, you can use 

set-net [ "form" 216.40.214.39 ]

in your script, and then 'send the results to you.

graham: i agree, but if you don't read english, how are you supposed 
to attend the conference or speak with each other there?

of course i will just use send in the script.

I guess it should be 

set-net [ "form" "motoko.rebol.it" ]

can't we just keep the users's config? that won't work if you're 
behind proxies or something like that.

Graham: so you want to keep Mac users away from the Devcon do you?

I expect the Mac port to be completed soon enough now that 1.3 is 
out :)

From those who attended the last one, is two days sufficient, too 
much, or not enough time?

graham: depends on number of speakers. we had to rush a lot at last 
one (my speech was reduced from 45 mins to about 10 mins)

have you talked to Carl, if he would come to Italy?

he will.

I think if you're going to pay 1000s of $ to travel so far, then 
that is a real shame to cut short the speakers.

i'd say, No Carl No Party. :)

Cindy has already stated that she has blocked off carl's calendar 
for end of Sept.

ok, you wanted it, so don't blame me. http://www.colellachiara.com/devcon05/survey.r

lunch - later.

Where are you going? You just said that lunch is gonna happen later, 
no? :-)

Find me a language that make it shorter ! (except a phone call, that's 
just 12 number ;-)

does that script seem ok to you?

How about "Lake Como"? Only 30 min outside of Milan, and quite a 
sight from what I have heard.

well, it will depend how expensive is such hotel :-)

if there's time, we could do a trip there. but... not sure about 
the time part :)

Gabriele - do you have beer in Italy? :-)

If so, I don't need to trvell much :-)

travel

I was thinking about organizing the conference in Lake Como, if possible; 
Nice surroundings.

May I ask why Milan?

a reboler that works in a school near milan offered to host the conference.

Ok. Then thats a good reason.

Is the location for the conference a school?