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Chris 30-Oct-2005 [124] | For what I had in mind, these fears are perhaps not appropriate. Ill try and compose a quick example... |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [125x3] | You might want to support namespaces like this: ["tag without namespace" "namespace" #[hash! ["attribute name" "attribute namespace" "attribute value" ...]] ["text" ["tag" ...] ...]] |
You might even be able to replace attribute value strings with REBOL values if you implement XML Schema typing. | |
You could then represent other XML data items using a word in the tag spot and then type-specific contents. For example: [comment "comment text"] | |
Chris 30-Oct-2005 [128x7] | This is a convoluted as I'm faking the end document object (which would be created by a parse rule): |
Consider the XML document: | |
<?xml version="1.0"?> <foobar><foo:bar>Some Text</foo:bar></foobar> | |
The document would look a little like: | |
node-prototype: context [ node-name: tag-name: "" node-value: "" node-type: 0 child-nodes: [] ] foobar: make node-prototype [ node-name: tag-name: "foobar" node-type: 1 ] bar: make node-prototype [ node-name: tag-name: "foo:bar" prefix: "foo" local-name: "bar" node-type: 1 parent-node: :foo ] append foobar/child-nodes bar text: make node-prototype [ node-name: #text node-value: "Some Text" parent-node: :bar ] append bar/child-nodes text document: context [ get-elements-by-tag-name: func [tag-name][ remove-each element copy nodes [ not equal? tag-name element/tag-name ] ] nodes: reduce [foo bar text] ] | |
Yes, it's big and bulky, but it is not intended for consumption by the user, any less than a View object is... | |
There are some typos there, but also a semblance of the document object working. | |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [135x4] | Using my structure, with empties for data not there: ["foobar" "" #[hash! []] [["bar" "foo" #[hash! []] ["Some Text"]]]] or with the none value for data not there: ["foobar" none none [["bar" "foo" none ["Some Text"]]]] |
There are advantages to either method. | |
If you have accessor functions premade for your structure, using the none value is better because it makes it easier to implement default values with any. | |
The strings would of course be unicode! when they finish implementing that data type. | |
Chris 30-Oct-2005 [139] | Or UTF-8 now... |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [140] | The contents of the string can be UTF-8 quite easily, although you will have to encode the higher characters yourself. |
Chris 30-Oct-2005 [141] | The imported characters would be fine (their integrity can be checked by the parse rule) but local Rebol higher characters would need to be vetted before inserting them... |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [142x2] | Remember that objects in REBOL have a lot more overhead than blocks, and that XML documents can get quite large. Unless you are using an event-driven parser, every bit of memory you can save is a good thing. |
REBOL isn't an object-oriented language you know... | |
Chris 30-Oct-2005 [144x2] | Yes, that is why I think a dialect may be the way to go. |
For (3). | |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [146x3] | The data structure I am suggesting would be for internal use only. You should have a dialect for specifying common XML operations and have the dialect processor handle the structure. |
I'm trying to figure out the most efficient way to represent the XML semantic model in REBOL. | |
It would even be possible to implement an XPath compiler, in theory. | |
Chris 30-Oct-2005 [149] | Don't forget in your structure that attributes can have name spaces as well. In the DOM, attributes are made with the same node prototype. |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [150] | I'm looking at the XML Infoset standard right now. |
Chris 30-Oct-2005 [151] | I understand the need for efficiency, I am also mindful of completeness. The DOM is a complete standard for accessing XML (and I appreciate that the 'O' in DOM does not necessarily mean Rebol object! :o) |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [152] | Especially since REBOL objects have a different semantic model than the objects that class-based object-oriented languages use to implement the DOM. |
Chris 30-Oct-2005 [153x2] | My prototype could as well be: node-prototype: reduce [ 'type 0 'namespace none 'tag none 'children [] 'value none 'parent none ] |
Yep, that is most apparent... | |
Sunanda 30-Oct-2005 [155x2] | Of the two suggested data structures, I'm inclined to think that Chris's is more flexible. With objects, it is easy to add extra fields (perhaps for debugging or to make it easy to traverse a structure). A "pure block" like Brian's is most likely to be faster in execution, but harder to extent. |
Oops Chris posted just as I did: ['name data] pairs is a flexible approach too. | |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [157] | Bad, bad, bad! Don't use words for element or attribute names, because common XML names contain characters that violate REBOL syntax for words. |
Chris 30-Oct-2005 [158x2] | I'm not using words... |
... to reference tag names. | |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [160] | That was directed at Sunanda, sorry. |
Chris 30-Oct-2005 [161x2] | This is how a linear block structure might work: |
node-prototype: reduce [ 'type 0 'namespace none 'tag none 'children [] 'value none 'parent none ] foobar: copy/deep node-prototype foobar/type: 1 foobar/tag: "foobar" bar: copy/deep node-prototype bar/type: 1 bar/namespace "foo" bar/tag: "bar" bar/parent: :foobar append foobar/children bar text: copy/deep node-prototype text/type: 3 text/value: "Some Text" text/parent: :bar append bar/children text document: context [ get-elements-by-tag-name: func [tag-name][ remove-each element copy nodes [ not equal? tag-name element/tag ] ] nodes: reduce [foobar bar text] ] | |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [163] | Sunanda, I'm sorry if that was rude :( As long as the data structure can handle the semantics in the XML standards, including extras like namespaces and such, then you won't have to extend them. |
Sunanda 30-Oct-2005 [164] | No problem.....I didn't mean that either, Brian: ['item "*&&^&*"] is a ['name data] pair, as an alternative to the more "object" design [item: "*&&^&*"] The first approach makes deletions much easier. |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [165] | Chris, it would be just as efficient to use word values for your type field, and easier to understand. |
Chris 30-Oct-2005 [166] | Probably -- I am just following convention (easier to get the concept straight first than the specifics...) |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [167] | Take advantage of the strengths of REBOL when you can :) |
Sunanda 30-Oct-2005 [168] | One practical word of caution. I built a full-text indexer entirely in REBOL. It extensively uses deeply nested blocks with frequent insertions and deletions. It took several days of tweaking to stop the code crashing REBOL's garbage collection. *** Large, deeply nested and active: may be pushing some internal limits. |
Chris 30-Oct-2005 [169] | With a linear structure, it is harder to add a child node -- you must append the parent node, set the child's parent node, and find the child's place in the document (the tricky part). |
Sunanda 30-Oct-2005 [170] | Linear would not be a good idea. I was just highlighting that deeply nested & highly active may need some RAMBO action before being robust. |
BrianH 30-Oct-2005 [171] | With the block position format, you can just test the first member to get the type of the data item, and then do something like this to access it: set a: context [name: namespace: attributes: contents: none] elem or perhaps this set [name namespace attributes contents] elem |
Chris 30-Oct-2005 [172x2] | S: That reads counter-intuitively... |
A linear structure would not be deeply nested. | |
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