World: r3wp

I'm still having area issues.  If I reach the bottom of an area widget 
and hit return at the end of a line, the caret will often jump to 
the beginning of that line instead of making a new line.

Pekr: yes It's my area-scroll-style in rebol.org

on vid i attacgh a scroller and set that to 1.0 . maybe that works 
with rebgui too?

re: area scrolling. Try the following:

	display "" [
		a: area (form system/locale/colors)
		button [insert tail a/text join newline now show a]
		button [a/pane/1/data: 1.0 show a]
	]

Oops, that shoud read:

	a/pane/data: 1.0 show a

or just:

	set-data a/pane 1.0

Okay.  That works great.  The only issue is if you only have one 
line of text it pushes it to the bottom, but that's easy to work 
around.  thanks.

e.g:

	all [a/pane/ratio < 1 set-data a/pane 1]

from the rebol demos.. 

Finished processing manifest.
** Script Error: yello has no value
** Where: append-message
** Near: get msg-color

now im no expert, but my guess is 'yello' should be ''Jello'

>> system/version
== 1.3.2.3.1
>> yello
== 255.240.120

Short answer is that it requires REBOL/View 1.3.2 or greater.

running 1.3.5

>> system/version
== 1.3.50.3.1
>> yello
** Script Error: yello has no value
** Near: yello

>> system/version
== 1.3.61.3.1
>> yello
** Script Error: yello has no value
** Near: yello
>>

View 1.3.50 is actually older than 1.3.2

hmm.. which is latest then?

I've renamed mine thus:
rebview1.3.050.3.1.exe
rebview1.3.061.3.1.exe
rebview1.3.2.3.1.exe
rebview2.7.000.3.1.exe
etc. so that they sort correctly in the file list.

(I knew when they decided to version those betas that way that it 
would cause confusion...)

>> system/version
== 2.7.5.3.1
>> yello
== 255.240.120
>>

went by date

Yep, that's the latest.

thanks

That's what I've been testing with. It has a problem with some keys 
like page-up/down. Apparently Maxim patched those keys. I suppose 
he added an event-func.
There's a new version coming soon which should fix that.

the desktop needs a make-over

(The View desktop , that is.. )

also known as the "viewtop".

2.6.3 is the latest stable release with a matching SDK version.

2.7.5 also has a matching SDK version, but is slightly less stable 
(works for me).

Install is nonfunctional in 2.7.5, but that wouldn't affect encapped 
apps.

Install wasn't completely functional in 1.3.2 either, or any prior 
version, as I have explained at length before :(

Hmm.. I've gone over all the GUIs and I've come to an observation 
(not a criticism)... 
There's no graphic designers here.

That's a known fact I think :)

After looking at all of the various UI for Rebol that's currently 
available, and although they are all great in their own right, I 
can't help but think there's something missing.  I've found the rebol 
mashups I've done using Javascript, HTML, CSS and Flash.. to be so 
much more flexible, and of a higher quality... perhaps not in things 
like speed etc., but when it comes to eye-candy, View, and all of 
it's GUI libs come in third at best.


If you're running windows.. take a look at RASH.. a simple blue button 
that floats on top of all your other windows.. click it, and a panel 
pops up.. 

It uses Flash as the UI.. and it's really quite easy to tie Rebol 
into Flash..  and you can do it with core. Why there isn't more Flash 
/ Rebol mashups is weird

Sorry, probably the wrong group for this rant

If you happen to have some X10 stuff lying around, you can control 
your appliances with RASH too.. 

Add this to codes.txt .. change the path to your x10comm.exe 


q [fp "kettle on" 20][call "c:\x10\x10comm.exe a1 on" speakout "Kettle 
has been activated" closed]

q [fp "kettle off" 20][call "c:\x10\x10comm.exe a1 off"  speakout 
"Kettle disengaged" closed]


text-to-speech while  flipping on the kettle from Rebol.. serious 
cool factor.

oops.. misposted

when it comes to eye-candy, View, and all of it's GUI libs come in 
third at best

 ... I'd exclude View from that statement. With AGG support built-in 
 it enables you to be as creative as you want; the fact that no-one 
 has built a nice Konfabulator-like dialect that uses View to its 
 full potential is another issue.

Agreed.

Ashley have you been able to reproduce the boundary issues with the 
area widget .. basically when trying to type into the widget at the 
bottom, and either have the caret fold back to the start of the same 
line, back into the word you're typing.

Since I've never seen this in the area face I presume it's fixable.

able to reproduce the boundary issues

 No, and I use area everywhere in my apps. Never come across this 
 problem before. What's the sequence of actions? i.e. it's gotta be 
 more complex than, "just type until it happens". I suspect you've 
 hit a nasty interplay between arrow/slider scrolling and caret positioning. 
 Fixable if I know how to reproduce it.

 the fact that Konfabulator-like dialect that uses View to its full 
 potential is another issue.


did you look at (short on time, cause everyone else was late ;-) 
 elixir devcon session ?


that just what it is...  100% AGG gui engine... with full AGG element 
based interaction and per stroke feel.

Max .. none of us saw the screen ... the broadcast videos appeared 
to concentrate on the rear of things!

AGG + Autofocus = Extra aliasing

AGG without a dialect? Might as well code in assembly, or openGL

Ashley, I can't reliably reproduce this boundary issue.  How about 
putting in a check for when the caret moves to the next line after 
<enter>, to ensure it is not on the same line, and then writing this 
to the rebgui.log ?

Is there a way to make a horizontal scroll bar on a table?  Or maybe 
to make a text-list or area have the horizontal scroll bar?  It may 
be to use the slider widget, but documentation is a bit scarce.

Also, how do I set effects/radius: 0 for group-boxes?

graham... darn... should be putting time on elixir and liquid next 
week *I think*  but with all the things going on in my life right 
now I can't be sure.

TimW - there is very robust grid style, done by Cyphre, under contract. 
It is just there were some API changes, so the grid was never further 
adapted ....