World: r3wp

We have added a more "spophisticated" I18N system to RebGUI, that 
can handle not only strings in layout but at all places in the program.

If that's the case, then aren't ID's a moot point? (i.e. the issue 
you seem to have is internationalization, not ID's).

It's two things: position and text independend (which solve I18N 
as well) storage.

Fonts: I want to get some text / labels in "Arial Narrow" on the 
screen. How do I do this? I tried but don't know what I need to do.

Robert - what is your level of multilang apps? Only data, or also 
UI?

I am not e.g. sure I would use native RebGUI localisation, because 
it goes from messages, UI elements, to of course data. And as for 
data, you have to establish the concept yourself.

e.g. you have a list-box for fruits: ["apples" "bananas" "cherries"] 
.... that can't be sufficient in any way - it could be, if those 
"texts" could serve you as index to some localisation table:

langs: [cz "Cesky" us "English" de "German"]
fruits: ["apples" "bananas" "cherries"]

trans: [ ;table-id (name), lang, key, translation
fruits  [
    cz  [
       "apples" "jablka"
       "bananas" "banany"
       "cherries"  "tresne"
    ]
 ]
] 

select trans/fruits/cz "apples"

just an example (not practical one :-)

but above would mean, that every translation for all tables would 
be in one 'trans table - not sure it is practical. Another model 
- simply have langs table, as in above example:

langs: [cz "Cesky" us "English" de "German"]
fruits: [
1 uk "apples"
1 cz "apples"
2 uk "bananas"
2 cz "banany"
3 uk "cherries"
3 cz "tresne"
]

select * from fruits where language = 'cz'


That is more practical - simply use one more key - that of your default 
or selected (preferred) language ...


In some sense, you don't need IDs, but I prefer to have one- it depends 
what kind of databases you use. But - it is surely nearly INSANE 
to use text, which can eventually change, as a key value (e.g. because 
of typo and later need to change that text)

want to get some text / labels in 
Arial Narrow""

	text "Some Narrow Text" font [name: "Arial Narrow"]

assuming you're on WIndows and that font is available of course.

I18N: We have written an own I18N system, that can handle all UI 
aspects dynamically. Table columns, drop-list data etc. Works very 
well. And it can be used not only inside GUI stuff but through the 
whole code.

For example you just specify the "master-language" drop-list data, 
provide a translation and it will change on the fly.

what is that cryptic l18N word?

If I need to translate UI, drop-list elemetns plus whole data, I 
refuse to use external system for it - it belongs into tables with 
other data, at least if it concerns data itself. UI elements can 
be in catalogues, no problem here. But - whatever works for particular 
usage case is ok ...

I18N = internationalization

There are screenshots of a RebGUI and RebDB app posted at
http://peoplecards.ca/rebol/vidpics

Nice work, Brian.

Thanks.  This is posted more to support Ashley, and show off RebGUI. 
 I'm a big fan of
RebGUI.  :)

that's just cause you never tried glayout  ;-)

<joke>

brian: looks like a large app!

About 600k of sources, 5 meg total with satelite maps.

I've started playing with Glayout.  In prep for usage docs... :)

600k sources!

with SDK code? or rebgui and other public includes?

public includes...A few REBOL games etc...

All with DO.  Didn't have the SDK when I wrote it.

games?

Links to rebsites...planetary defender, etc, that ended up in the 
cache...

I didn't show the spreadsheet screen shot.  I noticed it had some 
real $ amounts shown.

not sure I grasp what you mean by the cache... you mean the rebol 
sandbox is 600k ?

No from DO-THRU

yes exactly.

thru, stores stuff in the "sandbox" which is the cache... same thing... 
just wanted to be sure we meant the same thing.

Ok.  Learned a new term today.  :)  Thanks.

Very cool Brian.

I posted that for Ashley's sake.  RebGUI RebDB is a nice little app 
building combo.

I kinda wish we could Print with REBOL.  Posting through the browser 
is kinda...I don't
know.  Not quite right.  :)

Thanks for the link, I've updated the RebGUI home page with a new 
"SItes using RebGUI" section (and removed the long-dead link to this 
AltME group as we don't seem to be broadcasting anymore ;(  )

Printing should be a big priority at some point. Rebol will not be 
taken seriously in commercial circles until we can hook into printing 
systems directly. I know it maybe a boring area for developers to 
work on. It's it is a hard sell when one has a great looking RebGUI 
interface without a print option.

HTML has is limits, PDF generation is more of an option.

I use postscript

it works

Yes, of course. Not everyone has a PS printer or a rendering sub-system 
though. (e.g. Ghostscript). I've also output to LaTeX on the backend. 
If the system is client server then the backend can handle printing.

Ashley;  Thanks for that.  I kinda wish I hadn't cleared the database 
before taking 

the screenshots.  I just noticed the screens look fairly empty.  
:)

We do need a directory selector that can access directories across 
the network.  At present i have to resort to using request-file,and 
selecting a file in the target directory.

wonder if the background colour to an info field shouldn't be more 
obvious to indicate that it is an info field

I'm currently building an interface.  I have a tip which works ok 
until I open a dialog, say request-ui or question. There are no actions 
hooked up to the dialogs yet. Once the dialogs are dismissed, the 
tip does not show again. Every other widget is responding to events 
BTW.


The tip is attached to symbol text. Lots of head scratching going 
on here. It feels like some event has been killed. Any ideas anyone?

Thanks.

directory selector that can access directories across the network

 We're limited to what "read %/" can pick up. Real solution is to 
 have a native request-dir func (and request-color, request-font).

background colour to an info field
 ... how about making it the same color as tooltips?

	field ctx-rebgui/colors/tooltip-fill

Any ideas
 ... looks like a RebGUI bug as I can reproduce it with:

	display "" [
		box tip "Some text"
		button [alert "Text"]
	]


Hmm, also noticed that tooltip and tooltip-time are dynamically escaping 
to the global context. Will look at this later today.

Build#94 uploaded to SVN. Contains minor tooltip, drop-list, request-menu, 
on-click and on-alt-click fixes.

Ashley, thanks for the quick fix. Previously, I've used the files 
from the demo in the Rebol directory via Viewtop. As an end user, 
how can I easily get hold of build#94, not having used SVN before 
BTW.

Cheers.

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