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are those AGG buttons??

yes

well, not complete, anyway. Maxim uses a derivative of that design 
in his system

I think Ashely would love some input here :)

I had to cheat to get centered AA text :-(

He moved from bitmap buttons to AGG to try and save some ram.

nice. Although I am not sure I like it overall - to shiny/reflecting 
:-)

to = too

the current rebgui buttons look too rounded for me .. so if an alternative 
were available ...

pekr, the overall shape and the texture of the buttons are somewhat 
separate, so the buttons can be retextured to look more sand-polished 
or different while the groove around the buttons can remain.

I like buttons with a realistic look that make you say "oh, that's 
a metallic paint" or other surface treating process

E.g. I liked something in between. Original 1.3 button look - http://www.xidys.com/chris-buttons.jpg
... it also works on black backgrounds - http://www.xidys.com/chris-buttons-black.jpg

http://hmkdesign.dk/rebol/cool/cool-widgets.r<--- source here.

is there a difference between how INIT works in RebGUI and INIT in 
VID?

I can't get my INIT function to work in a rebface

whoops, had the INIT function stuck inside a FEEL. :-)

you trying to adapt some of your styles to Rebgui? :-)

just poking around :-)

I think the buttons are not tall enough. they should be at least 
20-22 px tall.

http://rebol.hmkdesign.dk/rebgui-btns.png<--- well, it's a start.

nicer

nicer ... but buttons should be taller imo :-)

yes they should. I altered the size to 20 pixels but it had no effect?

I am not just proponent of "full colors". If I say - button red, 
I don't really mean "full red" :-) I like a bit more mild coloring 
...

yes. OTOH, you have full control over the button color. VID standard 
BTN does some contrast reduction, so a red button appears pale red.

... that's the same as with view layout [button 100 red "first" btn 
100 red "second"]

but those gradients and shapes look definitely better to me ...

with a more consistent look, the buttons will appear even better.

what do you mean by "more consistent look"? Overall refactoring of 
RebGUI? Hmm, maybe Henrik needs to be put on contract for one week, 
to change default coloring and styling, to make RebGUI more attractive 
:-)

Have you seen Network Detective?

pekr, I mean that buttons that look really good in one context may 
look like crap in a diffferent context. The buttons look overall 
rather bland against the cream colored background. A darker gray 
would emphasize the buttons more. It all distracts the balance of 
the look if the colors are disjointed and obscure certain features 
in the buttons.

yes

contract? well, yes, I could use the money. :-)

:-)

but I'm no fan of the Luna XP look

I am not either ... in fact I held way too long off from rebgui, 
becuse it looks dull, much worse than default VID

e.g. - some time ago I did this comparison - http://www.xidys.com/btn-comparison.jpg

I voted for 1.3 to have Chris look - on the left side. You can also 
see default XP look, and current 1.3

cyphre styles - http://www.xidys.com/cyphre-styles.jpg- the design 
works, maybe because of darker background. I will try in the evening, 
to put tabs not on the dark background directly, but first in the 
group box ....

yes, it's harder to do nice looking buttons against a bright background.

otoh - tab completly fails on dark background. There is only few 
pixel visual space between tabs - try to run demo and set dark grey/blue/black 
background. It does not feel good ...

INIT is a little odd here. It seems to be set to NONE after the face 
has been initialized.

found out how it works now.

http://rebol.hmkdesign.dk/hmkrebgui.zip

this is not a part of the official distribution or the SVN repository.

I try to download it now ... what is different there?

only the button

I'll do one at a time and have you review it

it would be enough to post button.r, no?

it would, but I thought it might be confusing?