World: r3wp

it will be good to insert cyphre widget (table and tree) into current 
version of RebGui !!

I've got the same image in different layouts and it assumes different 
shapes!

As for tree-view and menu - no need to reinvent the wheel - Cyphre's 
got really decent ones. The question is, how much would it take to 
redo them for RebGUI

what's the background color in rebgui ?  I want to place some invisible 
text ...

white ..

Would it be difficult to make Rebgui look by default as Network Detective? 
IMO this is example of nice and attractive app design, still close 
to OS and less funky than VID ....

I think you have to touch every widget and create the eye-candy.

Pekr, send me a link to a screen shot of it?

Is this Maarten's

http://mail.canarie.ca/MLISTS/tech/att-1118/01-detective_run_en.png

yes, Maarten's. Robert is right, every widget would have to be a 
bit adapted. IMO the biggest problem is with tabs - they simply don't 
work on dark background - they look like few pixels error during 
rendering. The space between tabs is not big enough.

I agree that NREN is cool looking.

e.g. with Cyphre's styles, tabs even don't touch one each others 
- http://www.xidys.com/cyphre-styles.jpg

I'm using it now.

Very clean, very nice.

but I noticed there is one trick - not to put tabs directly on the 
background, instead try to put them in a box (groupbox?)

Nren is imo nice compromise, because - it looks professional enough, 
not dull, yet it bears its own style ...

http://edr.euro.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGControls/chapter_18_section_7.html

Anything we would want to do has been described by apple.

Even if you change the base rules, they give greate exampes of formats.

We are starting to adapt thier rules to Qtask, and are bringing all 
the styles and interface onto one page, where we can set tempaltes, 
and then the whole site just "snaps" into style.

IIRC Gnome had coold doc towards gui, can't find it now ...

http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/

such doc should exist before we get ourselves onto VID+ :-)

such as document is already being compiled for VID+

maybe better - http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/hig-2.0.pdf
(watch out - nearly 2MB file)

is it? Where? Last time I asked the answer was, that VID+ group did 
not start working yet ...

I don't know if it's official...

it does not have to be, the good thing is, if you guys are working 
on something ...

no wonder the ui for the detective is good - it was designed by Chris 
:) and implemented by Romano.

that screenshot seems very old though... 1.9...

Would it be difficult to make Rebgui look by default as Network Detective?
 ... Yes and no. Several things would need to be changed:

1) Default window background color and effect
2) Default color scheme
3) Default spacing, font and font size

which are all easy, and then some widget specific changes:

1) Tab-panel tabs drawn differently
2) Scroller effect added (so the background has a nice gradient)
3) Check-box and radio-button changes
4) Other widgets?


The hard part is to do all this and maintain a consistent look and 
feel. An added complexity is that RebGUI widgets are scaleable, which 
means it can't cheat and use bitmaps and pre-defined pixel metrics. 
Have a close look at the Apple user-interface guidelines ... they 
handle multiple widget sizes by hard-coding the pixel metrics for 
each pre-determined size. It looks great, but it's not a generic 
solution. You can't easily take the Apple interface and make it work 
on a mobile-phone ... or a 90" Plasma display.


I'm no graphics artist, but if someone can come up with a RebGUI 
style guide that plugs the values into the questions posed above, 
and a majority of folks think it looks "cool *and* professional", 
then I'll implement it. If it means taking a cue from Aqua, Vista 
or whatever then so be it. Anyone up to the challenge?

I tried to explain that about Apple GUI here once, and no one seemed 
to understand my point.  Which is the same point you are making. 
 I think the general solution is "hinting" like they do with fonts, 
but do it at the GUI level.  So you have one set for the 640x480 
all the way to 2Kx1K group, then a supper small set for cell phones.

it will be interesting to see how they will handle resolution independency 
in Leopard. It partially works in Tiger.

Is it possible to display an HTML page in a RebGUI window? Not display 
HTML code, but to display the formatted HTML page.

no, how could it be technically possible?

we have no rebol binding to activeX or xpcom components, which could 
be put inside the face, nor do we have html parser/displayer, for 
which, rich-text would be needed

Hummmm. I'm always wanting to do the impossible.

you have to bear in mind, that to include such an engine, which would 
handle all possible www.w3c.com standards, it will be much bigger 
than rebol itself. Some kind of integration would be nice though, 
especially with mozilla runtime engine. But maybe we will have to 
wait for better integration interfaces, as we expect them with R3

What does this function do?


http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/rebol/view-script.r?script=render-rich-text.r

whatever rich-text rendering, with curren R2 View kernel, will be 
slow, and if not, surely non editable ...

Sounds like I need to do something else then. Thanks, Pekr.

Louis, from memory, that script allows the display of formatted text, 
supporting bold/italic/underline, different font sizes and colours.

Thanks Anton.

Spell check in Rebgui tour.r is not working for me. What am I doing 
wrong?

Download and install a dictionary file: http://www.dobeash.com/RebGUI/edit.html#section-4.2

Thanks, Ashley. I remember reading that now. RebGUI is very nice. 
I'm enjoying using it very much.

I already had the dictionary and didn't realize it. Anywat it still 
doesn't work. What else could I be doing wrong?

I don't get an error message, but nothing happens.

how are u checking for spell check?