World: r3wp

Not sure where to put this so asking here:


I downloaded a web script and it has a  snippet I don't understand:
buffer: make string! 1024         ;; contains the browser request
file: "index.html"
parse buffer ["get" ["http"  |   "/ "  |  copy file to " " ]]

what does:

copy file to " "

mean or do?
tia

copies everything after the http till it reaches a space to a variable 
named file

or after the "/" if there is no http

eh ... no that either

everything after get that is not / or http ...

Moved the question to Parse.

[ copy question to end ( append parse-channel question)  ]

From the new products page:

REBOL Technologies has changed its product catalog. REBOL/Command 
features are now part of REBOL/SDK. We've eliminated the standard 
REBOL/SDK. We also will be lowering our pricing for these products 
accordingly. 


How does this affect current sdk owners? Can we download command 
sdk and use with our key?

well, the corrollary of that is .. do existing sdk/command users 
get a refund ...

Well, generally when you buy a TV 1000$ and the price get to down 
to 800$ 2 month later, the shop does not refund the difference. So 
why RT whould ?
Or maybe just those who buy this month (if there is some) !

That was my point ...

But there are some stores that do!

And they're the ones who have loyal customers forever :)

Yes but only if you bought the TV a short time before tre price goes 
down. Not years.

Is this longest period we have not had a SDK follow a new release?

New 2.7.7 SDK release: http://www.rebol.com/sdk.html

where's the download link?

i think you must ask for it !!!!

but it's very sad, we must paid for the upgrade even if you buy the 
sdk before last year !!!!

perhaps, it will be a good idea to make a link with purchase condition 
for sdk buyer before last year.

I still hope it is an ommision? SDK does not imo contain license 
key, and it was always available to download IIRC.

Not always, just in recent years.

This need to purchase the sdk if you bought it over a year ago seems 
a little arbitrary ... normally this implies that there has been 
a year's worth of upgrades and fixes over the one year period, but 
the last sdk release was over 2 years ago.

I would want a clear upgrade system. For some reason I ignored the 
yellow box at the top. Now it's more clear, but I still think it 
needs some work.

Graham, in principle, Carl could be speculating in not doing upgrades 
for 366 days, which I think is too easy to perceive as sinister. 
Everyone else do it on version numbers, not time period. Time periods 
are used during the final weeks before an upgrade, so a purchase 
right before an upgrade doesn't seem unreasonable.


Also he says "within the last year", but from what specific date? 
Is this a one time offer?

Looking at the changes http://www.rebol.com/docs/changes-2-7.html
is there really any need to upgrade to 2.7.7 ?

We can add the mezzainine stuff ourselves

So, really it makes it even more pointless charging for the upgrade

And there doesn't seem to be an upgrade path ... so looks like he 
is asking us to purchase it again

I don't mind paying for it, just to be clear. But, yes, the upgrade 
path is not clear.

What exactly do you gain by purchasing it again??

a better karma and some extrapoints für you kudos-system graham :-))

and Carl not starving to death.

I've already purchased View/Pro, SDK linux and 2 x SDK/command windows

Maybe it would make more sense if Carl put 'Donate' icon on RT's 
site instead of charging loyal SDK users again :-)

We're already donating our time too

Well, time donations don't give him food on the table. A better option 
would be licensing of proprietary tech, rather than selling products.

Maybe I can click on some of those new googleads instread!

Eric Raymond considers users who donate time to be very important 
.. http://catb.org/~esr/writings/homesteading/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s04.html


presumably because they will continue to donate time but would not 
donate $$

My main beef is that there has been no consultation ...

Donate would be much better. Via PayPal or some such ...

RT should look into how Luxology does it with the 3D modeler, Modo. 
That model is worth copying parts of and is probably possible to 
graft onto RT.

Here's how they do it:


- Create a strong and unique product from scratch using people with 
many years of experience in the business.
- Keep a community forum on the main site.

- Keep a community creation portfolio on the main site. That's important, 
perhaps more than the forum.

- Have a charismatic front person who is daily in touch with the 
community. Creates a weekly podcast that also includes personal content 
and interviews.

- This person is so close in contact with the community that he can 
discuss product pricing and licensing with the community.

- Being a private company, they are free to opine on the policies 
of other companies, and Adobe and Autodesk are often criticized openly 
by Luxology.
- Make it really, really, really, REALLY easy to buy the program.
- Make upgrade paths really, really clear.

- Make the licensing scheme very loose. Don't bind it to a platform, 
but to a computer.

- Create content, tutorials and other items that are purchasable 
for a small amount (10-20 USD or so).

- Paid content is really cleverly done as an extension of the program. 
You can buy "kits" that for example let you easily set up studio 
lighting. This allows people to use the program in ways that were 
not originally intended or would be laborious to build on your own. 
In a sense, the 3D modeler is suddenly not only attracting 3D artists 
but photographers as well. It works similarly to how modules would 
work in R3. I suspect this will be one of their main income sources.

- Keep proprietary tech to yourself and license it to various vendors. 
This seems to be what they are mainly making their money on now.


This model works really well for them and they are growing constantly 
and with a fanbase about as strong and loyal as RTs. Luxology feels 
like a distinctively non-corporate entity, and like more a bunch 
of people having fun. Purely through years of word of mouth they 
got their program visible in one of the featurettes for the Avatar 
movie and on the Apple website demoing the Mac Pro. They even have 
guys from Pixar on the forums and making tutorials. Modo is known 
for being different than other 3D modelers much like in the same 
way that REBOL is different from other programming languages, making 
it fun to use.


In a sense REBOL as a product is not dissimilar to Modo (it's fun 
to use) and with their business model already working, I think it 
could be grafted onto RT's business model.

Henrik - you can repost it in the Advocacy group, if you wish so 
...

Yes, sorry.

RT is a single person ... I don't think it's possible for one person 
to do all of this

Moving to advocacy...

Graham, the changes doc doesn't include most of the changes yet. 
It's a permissions issue on the new rebol.com site.

OSX 2.7.7 SDK released.

Does that include Intel? PPC was released earlier, with the rest.

separate PPC and Intel version